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Talk About Town: Do Schools Need More Security in Bloomfield?

News of the enhanced partnership between the Bloomfield Hills Schools and the Bloomfield Township Police Department is getting people talking.

 

 

Earlier this week, we told you about the plans for a new school security arrangement between the Bloomfield Hills Schools and Bloomfield Township Police Department that officials say will help improve security management,  communications and procedures in all buildings. Though details are still under development, a school security officer position will be created and funded between both entities as a result of the feedback district officials received following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, CT.

On Thursday, dozens of teachers in Oakland County attended the first training For a school-shooting scenario with local law enforcement.

We want to know:

Do you think students are safe enough in Bloomfield Hills Schools and do they need a security manager? Tell us in comments.

This an occasional feature in Bloomfield-Bloomfield Hills Patch that is spurred by discussions taking place at homes, coffee shops and chatgroups all around Bloomfield. We want to hear your opinions about certain topics making headlines and are looking forward to your feedback. Know what the Talk About Town is in your circles? Share them with us or Email Art at art.aisner @patch.com, and it could be a future topic.

Related Topics: Bloomfield Hills Schools, Bloomfield Township Police Department, Newtown Shooting, and School Security

Marcia Robovitsky

5:48 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013

I left many comments on a previous Patch article on this topic... you can go there to add to that thread... or....start a new thread here.

http://bloomfield-mi.patch.com/articles/bloomfield-hills-schools-and-township-police-work-on-new-security-agreement

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Linda

7:15 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

I am not a security expert but some thoughts come to mind. Is the new high school being constructed with appeopriate security in mind or is aesthetics the primary goal? , I.e., minimize or eliminate large glass first floor areas with exterior exposure? entrance systems that requie access codes or swipes?

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J Arch

10:43 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Hi Linda, that is one of the operational benefits to be derived with building the new high school as there will be an integrated security system that will include access control, door monitoring, surveillance, etc. As well, the layout of the new high school provide for much better monitoring of access points by staff than is possible at the existing high school buildings.

J. Wagner

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Ann

11:19 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Security is a major problem with our current building, which does not meet any contemporary requirement for building safety. The office should be near the entrance; students should enter through a primary entrance and the building should not be "porous"; clear sight lines should be maintained, without blind corners and hidden alcoves.

The new building addresses all these failings in the current structure.

Linda

11:54 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Ann I wasn't looking for another political endorsement of the new building.....and the failings of the old. I was simply mentioning my hope that the designers and team would make security a priority as long as a new building was in the works. I am sure the thousands and thousands of old school buildings in our country will look for security solutions without necessarily deciding to spend multi millions on new structures.

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Mac

12:00 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Not a political endorsement, just a fact. The current building is way out of spec for safety. Requiring a full time person to sit at a desk by the "front" door is the current solution. I know you went to planning meetings, and heard that safety was one of the considerations for the new building.

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Neal Charness

12:59 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Linda: You asked a totally reasonable question--why the need to go off because the person you got an answer from was involved in the school bond issue on the other side as you. You start with honest dialogue and then devolved into personal things--that demeans you. We need the dialogue and I know you can contribute with good ideas (which aren't defined by whether we agree or not). Neal

Marcia Robovitsky

12:37 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Did any of you go to the link I provided in the first comment space above? Did you read the article AND the comments? Just asking...and hope you do.
I would like to hear your opinion of the school district and the Township of Bloomfield sharing the costs of another police officer ..which is either being discussed or a done deal... apparently two township police officers that are assigned as liaison police officers to the two high schools...are already being paid in part by the school district. That was news to me. Never saw it in the Twp. budget.
This would be a third officer being shared. I wrote on the other blog comments, that I believe the school district should hire a security firm... not force the township taxpayers to hire another police officer only to share costs with the school district. The report said that this officer would be armed and would be responsible for all the schools. I don't see that as increased safety....only increased costs.
Certainly, a security firm...could consult with the school board and administration to come up with a plan that locks out the bad guys...and not hope that the one armed police officer isn't at another school when needed. By the way, the Bloomfield Township police force would respond to all BHSD schools in any emergency already.
What the schools need are other safety options...my opinion. And the school district should pay out of their collected school tax revenues.

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Jenny Greenwell

2:53 pm on Thursday, January 31, 2013

Are those overly-large windows bullet-proof? Could the new design allow for an attack to occur from OUTSIDE THE BUILDING?
It would take an army of security guards to patrol that perimeter.
Anyone else notice that the design seems to include a flat roof, just like the "old" schools, that have apparently been constantly leaking since Gaynor hired in? I don't recall too many complaints about our school facilities prior to 2002, and all three of my own kids were in BHSDs K-12 program at that time. Seems like we are losing a lot and getting back more of the same problems.

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J Arch

12:57 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Now you're being silly, Jenny. The issue is not about hardening the facility like a bunker so that it can withstand some kind of terrorist attack. This is about making sure the facility has adequate controls for preventing unauthorized access as well as having the appropriate traiining in place for responding to incidents. Otherwise, we might as well build a prison.

As for your roof comment, flat roof technology today is light years ahead of the old asphalt built up roofs of the 50's/60's/70's that comprise what we have on the District's other buildings. The cost to incorporate pitched roofs on a building the scale of a high school creates such a premium in cost structurally that it makes no economic sense to do so. Flat roofs can now be built to a much higher level or reliability that it makes more economic sense both initially and long term to go that route.

Of course, this was explained at the presentations during the schematic design phase, but you must have missed those sessions.

J. Wagner

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Judy Weiner

12:58 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Jenny,
I have an idea. Why don't you invent a bunch of untrue scenarios, toss out a bunch of negative sound bites about them, and then send them to the Patch?
Anyone who wants accurate information about our schools will not get it from you, Jenny. You obviously underestimate the intelligence of our parent population.
And, again, please refer to our retired Superintendent as Dr. Gaynor. Your continued disrespect toward Dr. Gaynor and current administration has not earned you any votes, has it Jenny?

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Neal Charness

12:59 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Would someone please let Jenny know Mr Gaynor is no longer the superintendent? I'm sure the buildings magically started leaking when Mr. Gaynor became superintendent. I understand the intensity of her feelings towards Mr. Gaynor but this post has nothing to do with security and much to do with her continued hostility towards the district.

Linda

1:31 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

This stream wasn't going too badly until judy dropped in. Is it possible to think she could be capable of something other than a snarky, condescending comment? Not.

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Neal Charness

2:50 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Thank you for your "insight." Wow.

Marcia Robovitsky

1:42 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Good Grief! I STILL would like to hear from the community about the BHSD and the Township sharing the costs of yet another policeman. He/She would get the salary from the school/twp....and would be armed....and would be going among all the schools. I don't think that is a good idea, but it may be a done deal. WHAT DO THE REST OF YOU THINK? This is about the sixth comment I've made in two different articles...about police/sharing costs/ etc. This inquiring mind would like to hear other opinions on this topic ! Thanks.

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Cathy O'Connor

8:53 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013

Marcia
Since asked, I'll give you my thoughts. I do not have any problem with armed security in and around the schools. I believe, although I could be wrong, that most of these incidents took place in "gun free" zones including the location where Rep. Giffords was shot. However, if a mentally ill person wants to harm people, they will find a way. If it is known that a location, a school has an armed guard, I think that could change the scenario. At least the assailant may think twice about it or could be stopped before more lives are taken. As a parent of a 5th grader, I'd be willing to help defray the cost of such security personnel in and around the schools. I'm sure other parents would pay as well. This way, the Township, schools and parents (even though we already pay taxes for our schools) all share the expenses. Returning military personnel could be an option. Although it won't be perfect, I would feel there would be an increased sense of security for our children. Sadly, this will not prevent all incidents. Violence and mental illness has been around since time began. Other things need to be reviewed such as mental illness diagnosis and support, parental roles and perhaps the biggest one being how violence is glorified in video games, TV and movies. But to answer your question, I'm total fine with the initial steps of increasing security in our schools. It's start.

Cathy Sanford-O'Connor

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