If you are an undecided voter, what issues do you want to see the candidates address? What will sway your decision?

This debate cemented my vote as an independent. Joe Biden was absolutely rude and condescending. I will be voting for Romney

My Patriotic Independent vote has been earned by the current administration. This being based on the unwavering support of our Veterans. Romney\Ryan ticket has vowed to cut the VA budget by at least 13% at a time when our returning troops need as much support as they can get.

as a veteran ---the war act obama --put threw by himself and not congress he took are vets retirement money to pay for the war in afgan---now when a vet retires they have to wait 8-11 years to collect---

I will take a smile, facial expressions, and interruptions when false statement are put forth, any day. When all the Right can discuss after the debate (Fox News) is Biden's smile and style, you know he won. When comments are made calling Martha Radditz a bully, you know Biden won. Ryan was memorized and rattled. He didn't know key facts about the war, and made statements that had to be corrected on the economy, and Biden corrected him. Biden thanked Ryan for his letters he sent thanking him for the stimulus package..a great moment. Biden protects woman, woman's choice, and had a clear sense of what is would take to be next to that red button. Ryan simply does not. The choice this country has is clear, such different platforms. Vote for your candidate, but just vote! How can anyone be undecided, particularly this late in the game? This is perplexing to me.

Dear Mr. or Ms. or Mrs. Gibson,
Name calling at someone who has a difference of opinion than you (FHVoice) is typical of what we are seeing from the right in this election process. You have lived up to that very low bar that has been set.
I too believe life begins at conception. I too believe a woman should have a choice. I too believe woman SHOULD pay for their choice, unless they have been violated by a criminal act, or their life is in danger. I too believe a woman should pay for their own birth control. Are you grasping this? This issue is with Romney Ryan a woman MAY NOT HAVE THIS CHOICE if they have their way with Roe v. Wade. This is a fundamental difference between the two parties.

No wonder nothing gets done in Congress.....Biden's style is about fighting and not professional demeanor.....about snarkiness and being a smart a--, and not policy. Guess he doesn't want to talk about the slaughter of our ambassador, high unemployment, high taxes. Can you imagine him with that snarky grin with Putin or other world leaders.....think they would smack him.

YES YES..Romney did say that the other day! You clearly have been paying attention to his flip flops and pandering to get votes! If the right believes that he does not have a plan to overturn Roe V. Wade, than I am seriously at a loss for words. If a candidate for the Presidency does NOT have a plan in place with regard to legislation, than how can you trust him to make any decisions? WHOA, and thank you. I do not know what type of a household you are from, but in my household and many of our friends, the men are always active in this most important discussion about a womans right to choose. NEVER have I excluded a man from that dialogue. Quite the antithesis.
Please provide proof that our goverrnment borrows money from CHINA to pay for abortions. This is the most outlandish comment I have heard yet. Please be specific. Much appreciated!

It seems that all of you have different point of view on subjects. Obama said he saved the automotive industry which is 1 quarter correct the other three quarters he left out was the fact the tier 1,2,3 automotive suppliers to the companies were left out and eventually went out of business. 1 million jobs or better no longer work. Romney is the only answer to this problem. So what if he has made millions the point his how did he do it. And if works for him it would really will work for the country. Vote that ticket.

Mr. Gibson,
Easy Stacy? You seem most uncomfortable when someone challenges you and asks for facts. You did NOT provide me with a fact about China funding abortion. You simply said you are"comfortable" saying that they do. The usual spouting when statements cannot be backed up.
Please do not underestimate the intelligence of woman by saying they are being duped by Obama. I could say some voters are being duped by Romney, but really I am too intelligent, and realize that reasonable minds differ. You seem to be unable to handle the heat in the kitchen when a reasonable smart woman asks you for facts.
I enjoy the respectful banter, please watch the insults about woman, and again, cite a fact about China and abortion. An article? A link? That was all I asked for, not your opinion.
If you are not "comfortable" as you say in a conversation about this issue, as you say in your latest post, I think that it maybe an issue you need to explore. I have never heard a man say he feels excluded in a dialogue, regardless of what side of the issue he is on in my 56 years of life. I hope I have done a good job including you.

I am voting for King George III. He's a proven monarch and has shown true leadership in the American colonies and throughout the empire. Who cares how he made his money it was all legal!!!

I was proud to serve my country. When I went into the service it was God,Country and Family. This is what this election is about taking back this country. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, you have to spend sometime in jungles,desert, at sea. To really experience freedom. Freedom is not free and Obama want's to apologize for everything the bad guys did to us. Tell that to all of the war dead defending the constitution. God bless the United States of America

Mr. Gibson,
Relax, nothing was a personal attack or even close..it was a challenge. A personal attack was your comment which was REMOVED by The Patch earlier today which you made against FHVoice. If Univision is your source, (Rush's as well) I rest my case. It is hard to make a personal attack when one hides as most do on this site with fake names. I have never understood that if you are proud of what you believe in. Suffice it to say in November your vote will cancel out mine, and that is the beauty of a democracy that I am proud to live in. BTW..Gay marriage is decided state to state and if you have a problem with Michigan as I do, contact your elected officials in Lansing.

Mr. Gibson,
Thank you for your clarification why you choose to use an abbreviated name.Your comment was removed where you resorted to calling FHVOICE a name. You may confirm that with Ms. Joni Hubred Golden.
I too feel as though we have had a healthy exchange. I always have been of the belief you do not learn much from like minds, and am always up for a great dialogue.
Have a great weekend!

Stacey Wallace for President! :-)

Our economy is very sick.
Obama/ Biden is the disease.....Romney/ Ryan is the cure.

I am undecided. I tend to be liberal on social issues and fiscally conservative. I am disgusted by the hateful behavior of both parties. I am not confident that either party promotes sustainable treatment of the environment. I am interested in watching the remaining debates. I do not believe I should have to make up my mind until I actually vote. It is a complicated issue and I want to take my time deciding which issues I will weigh above the rest and which candidate will prove to be a better, more mature leader.

Liane, making a profit doesn't make you greedy, just as advocating for clean water doesn't make you a rabid environmentalist.

For anyone who is a fiscal conservative, these are reality check on Romney's promises coming from Bruce Bartlett who worked for several Republican administrations.

"Romney will have the challenge of making all his various tax and budget promises add up. His basic problem is that he has made three key promises that are in conflict with each other. He has said he will cut statutory tax rates by 20 percent across the board, that he will eliminate enough tax deductions to keep total revenues the same as they would otherwise be, and he will maintain the existing distribution of taxation among income classes.

A number of economists have pointed out that all three of these promises cannot be kept simultaneously. The core problem is that even if every single deduction is eliminated for those making more than $200,000, they will still get a large net tax cut. Therefore, Romney will either have to raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 or blow a hole in the deficit."

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/10/12/If-Romney-Wins-Will-His-Tax-Plan-Survive.aspx

Obama has had four years to make HIS promises come true and failed miserably...the jig is up..he had his chance. I want a new candidate and Romney is my man.

Obama-Biden have earned my vote!

Unlike Romney, who only appears to truly care about the "1 percent" and wants to destroy Medicare to help the healthcare companies make more money, Obama-Biden care about 100 percent of Americans, including the middle class, poor, disabled, business and seniors. And, they much more trustworthy than the Republican candidates, as Politifact and Fact Check have confirmed.

Beth, you are correct in that Obama wants 100% control over Americans, that is the nature of Obama policies, more govt in your lives. Romney wants to give Americans a choice in healthcare, by letting them spend their money via tax credits or vouchers, let them use their commonsense and pick the best healthcare plan out of the choices available. Since it is competition, not stagnant govt healthcare exchange control, the healthcare companies will offer the best, as they do now, only without denials , restrictions, etc, to attract those vouchers, and yes, profit. We all know govt never saves their 'profit'. When was the last time any govt plan came in under budget, when they even looked at a budget? Govt rule...always spend your budget limit, so it won't be cut next year. Don't like a private healthcare provider?
Take your voucher elsewhere. Try that with the govt exchange. Won't work.
Obama is taking from Medicare, that is fact, for now, 700 billion plus. Leave it alone and go with credits and vouchers in the private sector, where you have choice. Romney is the clear choice for 2012, plus you can choose Biden's dentist if you want, not so with Obamacare if he is not in your 'exchange' picked by others.

Oh I thought the Republican/Tea Party was against health care by goverment? Less goverment?? So long it is the Republican/Tea plan then it is ok..HMMM Less goverment,LOL marriage? abortion? . President Washington warned of party loyalty.

Where is Willard Romney's military record? The Republican/Tea Party made that a HUGE issue during President Clintons campaign. Oh forgot that too!!

Romney was in school not protesting the war in Vietnam where slick Willie was.

All of your children will pay and your grandchildren will pay along with their grandchildren. Stop the spending their is no money unless the Duke himself has the coin to pay up.

Mitts records are in a safe place they are under OBAMAS records you know his birth records,his collage records, and all of the other alias he has.

I have TRI CARE which is military Medicare. You serve 35 years in the service of the United States you have this. Your probably the 30 percent that takes but not gives.

Whoops that's college not collage.

The Bush Tax cuts that include the wealthiest are argued by the Republican/Tea party as vital for job creation, haven't seen all these jobs millionaires are too have created by getting the Bush/ Cheney tax break. HMMM!

Yes they are and thank you. You must be real young to understand the sacrifice military men and women have made so you can sleep at nite.

Muslim records are with Rev Wright you know he disavowed every going to him after 20 years. Short memory.

If you live in Royal Oak you should look up the history and data base of the industrial plants that were in the city 45 percent roughly have gone out of business since the stimulus he promoted. That takes away your tax base.

It was under the President/Cheney administration that the economy declined. So then the Republican/Tea party candidate, Governor Romney, solution is to " LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT." Just as the Republican allowed wallstreet to runamuck during President Bush/Cheney's administration. HMMMM.

Correction: The President Bush/ Cheney administration......

Don't forget about Haliburton......

Duke in all due respect you may want to read the bio on George Romney when he let American Motors go bankrupt he worked his way out of it and then sold it to Chrysler.
Mitt Romney lived thru this. That is why he said it. Now Iacocoa went to the congress and got a bail out loan and then payed it off 30 cents on a dollar. Ford motor on the other hand wanted no part of this and the Obama administration showed them no respect so they mortgaged the entire business.

Cannot compare the two scenarios. Two wars and the Great Recession are a factor in not letting Detroit go bankrupt.

We were in recession then. 60-64 then the war started to heat up and then all of sudden the economy took off. Check the history books. Automotive plants were making M-16 tanks at Chrysler. Jeeps AM General. Ships Mobile ALABAMA. Agent Orange Dow Chemical. I need not say any more. By the way Duke I pay out of my pension 465.00 for TRI CARE for my wife. Iam not ducking my responsibility at all. Also did you not forget the invasion of Laos, Cambodia.

Mr. Gibson your father is my hero. Anybody who can pick up and leave his family to defend this country is the person that should be honored 24/7 some people don't get it. 5th infantry div was known as the fighting 5.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-we-got-back-every-dime-bailout-cbo-bailout-will-lose-24-billion

Another lie from Obama. Independent voters take note.

DEFINE GRAMMAR

George Romney was not the governor then. Look it up genius.

Please don't vote for Democrats. They are blindly following the Marxist Obama and his Marxist cretins. This is no longer the party of JFK and Truman. It has been commandeered by radical leftists and Marxists. You can vote for Tyranny with the Marxist president that we have, or you can choose liberty and vote Republican. Make no mistake, if you vote Democrat we will be going down a path never intended by our founders. A path of complete government invasion into our lives. The path that their motto "Forward" invokes. You don't have to become a republican to vote against their socialist agenda,. You can choose to stay Democrat or Independent. But we need you in this fight to save our country and to preserve our liberties for this and other generations. Help us send this message and follow your hearts.

Want more proof that Obama is a Marxist? Just look at his campaign slogan: Forward!

Classic code language used by these and every Marxist since Marx and Engels. Look it up in Wikipedia. You will find it. It has its own section for "Forward " Do you think that it is just an accident or coincidence that they chose Forward? Or is it because it is ingrained in every fiber of their Marxist indoctrinated bodies? Vote for Liberty Not Tyranny!! God Bless the USA!

Stacy,

You can follow Karl Marx himself if you want to. I could care less. But I DO care when our president uses Marxist language and codes, hangs communist Christmas Tree ornaments in the White House tree. Yes Stacy, I guess it is for his admirmation for our great nation, his dedication to preserving, protecting and defending our constitution that Obama has known Marxists like Van Jones, Anita Dunn, David Axleslod and just about the whole State department in his administration. Why don't you move to a country that has already given all their liberities away instead of giving our away to a tyrant? You're too ignorant to know that you live in the greatest nation created under God. YES MARXIST OBAMA. Look who he surrounds himself with, and was mentored by. You can't deny the fact as much as you want to disassociate from them. Just like you can disassociate Obama from his terrible failed record. He owns it. Open your eyes and wake up.

Sept 12 2012 apologizes to radical muslim in the U.N.
Sept 13 2012 again makes speech campaign Ohio
June 4th 2009 Cairo Muslim Brother Hood

Just a few samples

What alternate reality are you in, Chief? American Motors didn't go bankrupt. Willard was 15 when his father was elected governor of Michigan in 1962. Willard Mitt Romney got no motivation for letting Detroit go bankrupt from his father's experiences!

5:21 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012. You wrote "Duke in all due respect you may want to read the bio on George Romney when he let American Motors go bankrupt he worked his way out of it and then sold it to Chrysler. Mitt Romney lived thru this. That is why he said it. Now Iacocoa went to the congress and got a bail out loan and then payed it off 30 cents on a dollar. Ford motor on the other hand wanted no part of this and the Obama administration showed them no respect so they mortgaged the entire business."

Iacocca did NOT get a loan. He got a loan guarantee, one that was paid off early, and one that netted a $350M profit for the government.

Your post is so wrong I wonder just where you get your information and from what you form your world view. Whatever it is, you really need to change it.

No, you have it wrong pal. Obama is taking us backward to the Great Depression with the worst economy since then. Compliments of our Marxist in Chief. If you know your history, which you don't, since you rads like to rewrite it, Capitalism brought us out of the Great Depression through World War ll. It was the policies of FDR that made it linger through all the 30's. Put your foil back on your head and go back to bed. Time for another nappy poo.

Well let see my Grand Father was V.P. of operations for American Motors at that time and if you look very close you will find out he did let it go bankrupt. I rest my case.

Your are mistaken about Iaccoca he did get a bail out but like I said if you look at the congressional record for that period of time it states it. It is a public record look it up.

I really don't need to change my view with anything that's what I believe happened so that's all I have to say about that.

See, Robert, if you are going to post outright lies, this just gets tedious.
"Obama is taking us backward to the Great Depression with the worst economy since then."
Ah, even more right wing economists concede that the economy Bush generated and left for whomever followed him was on Bush. President Obama has made significant strides on repairing the damage, despite inheriting an economy losing over 750 THOUSAND JOBS PER MONTH.

" If you know your history, which you don't, since you rads like to rewrite it". Well, if that is the case, wouldn't one have to know what they had to change to rewrite ... oh, never mind.

If you think Herbert Hoover had the right prescription for the country, fine. Many who lived through the times did not. Most economists also think FDR's actions were a positive force on the economy. See http://tinyurl.com/9deufnd

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“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush, paraphrasing Goebbels.

Apparently you don't remember when all of the CEO's were in Washington and they started to chastise them for flying down in their jet's. Ford Motor did not want anything to do with it so they did what they did in 2009. Pull up the new's article.
By the way I don't ever have to change my opinion or my sources to benefit your opinions. It's the freedom of speech if you wish not to read it don't, but do not tell me what I should do.

Look up on the net about the OBAMA apologize tour it say's it all. When your the president of the UNITED STATES you carry the flag and you do not apologize or bow to anybody and that's what he did.

Don't mess with the VA I have sailors that have Agent Orange and eats them alive. I have it and is not pleasant thing to have. Many VETS travel great distances to be treated because they are closing down the center's at a rate that hurts the condition of treatment. Our veterans deserve better care. 8,000.000 men served and there are only 150,000,000 of us left. Vietnam was a political war.

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A good Patriot announced his support today:
Ross Perot:
"At stake is nothing less than our position in the world, our standard of living at home and our constitutional freedoms, That is why I am endorsing Mitt Romney in his quest for the presidency. We can't afford four more years in which national debt mushrooms out of control, our government grows, and our military is weakened. Mitt has the background, experience, intelligence and integrity to turn things around. He has my absolute support."
"It is this massive deficit spending that threatens to undermine our future standard of living. To pay for our government's massive debts, Washington's profligacy, our children and grandchildren will be paying interest and principal on the nation's debt for untold years into the future. That is wrong. It's not the way America ought to be,"
Amen!

Today Obama 2016 comes out. It is also available on pay per view on cable and the satellite networks. Watch it and see what drives Obama.

Your intel is SNOPES owned by George Soros.

Twenty-three million unemployed, 5% loss median family income, 47 million food stamps, one in six in poverty, and the unemployment rate really is 15%. There's no recovery; there's no progress. We're in the middle of a disaster, created and architected by Barack Hussien Obama. Yes Obama! You built that!

FH, just reading some of your garbage that you wrote earlier. You are correct on the Chrysler bailout and how it went down. So I want you to know that I do point out when someone gets the facts correct. You are SO wrong about everything else. Let me ask why do you pick on the "GOP run" Oakland county? DEMOCRATS have had COMPLETE control of DETROIT, almost complete control of MICHIGAN for YEARS. This whole STATE and certainly the city of Detroit is a poster child for FAILED democrat policies. The SAME POLICIES that you want to put on the backs of the American people. Look how well the city of detroit operates. UNIONS AND DEMOCRATS have built that! Enjoy!

Thomass you just got a little Bill Clinton and you did not like it. Define sex is what he said after he soiled the oval office. I would have liked to have you under my command but your probably draft dodger, or your on ego trip.

Bravo Chief! On behalf of my family and my children THANK YOU for your service! We are forever indebt to you. God bless you sir!

yeah. You wouldn't know what that means. How dare you insult anyone who served.

you know, I wasn't going to say this, but your pathetic responses prompted me: Years ago when i was in college, a prominent radical from the 60's was hanging out on the campus. His name is Abbie Hoffman. He made a "living" being a bum. he was a sick, delusional radical much LIKE YOU. He was filthy and he smelled like urine. and I imagine you do as well.

Enjoy the debate. Too bad Barry can't use his teleprompter!

Thomas the normal is to meet you in person with my uniform on but your so critical of what I say. I would not spend the time to engage your intellectual curiosity. You are about nothing if you cannot explain things to your kids you best get a real life. You have no street smarts. Good luck on the rest of your life.

Thomas you are really ignorant about Vietnam. The NAVY was in the rivers in Vietnam look up task force 115,116, 117. It was called the Brown Water Navy.
So if you want to call me out I could muster up some Navy Veterans with Agent Orange. But your under your shell.

Thomas you attain it by taking exams like you did when you were in kindergarten. Then you really don't to spell you just look at pictures like you did after failed the first grade.

See I got your attention which is about the span of nat. You can call me a fake because you don't know any better. Spelling has nothing to do with it. Your Janitor job is waiting for you.

Like I said before I would waste my time on you your nothing to me but a ingrate.

Thomas how old do you think I am. Enlisted in the Navy 1960 Honorable Discharge
1995.

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“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." G.W. Bush, paraphrasing Goebbels.

After listening closely, I was happy to find a good resource: http://www.romneytaxplan.com

Like the repeating the big lie as Obama does out of the page of his bible Rules for Radicals by Alinsky. David Axleslod and Barak Hussein Obama love and live this book. It is their philosophy. Get the video Obama 2016. It will explain a lot.

Obama couldn't say one thing about why his presidency has failed so and why they have absolutely no plan on the table for the future. How sad it was when the guy asked for Obama to give him something to hope for in a second administration. Obama's answer: blah blah ah um blah ah umm blah. Lots of specifics there! Man, what a let down for you liberal slobs waiting for a little hope and change.

Well since Obama care my family health ins went from $12500 a year to $18,000 a year I am self employed and have to pay total bill. I know of companies that will be getting a 35%increase in med ins. premiums. All getting ready for the 2014 mandate . These costs will be passed down to all. This plan did nothing to reduce costs it needs to go

WAKE UP Democrats! Do you know the disdain this administration has for you? This is what they really think of you. http://mikesright.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/james-carville-says-80-of-democrats-are-politically-clueless/

Mike is correct about healthcare premiums going up instead of down, and , at $18,000, he is below this year's average of $20,000 for a family of four. Right now, that comes out of Mike's pocket, no employer to lean on, and that is where Obamacare falls way short. Soon, with the Obamacare insurance exchanges, and employers letting the employees join the exchanges due to the high cost, the alternative being going out of business, that healthcare expense will transfer to all employees who don't have 'sugardaddys' to help with cost. Most folk don't realize that fact yet. Obama has already granted certain companies such as McDonald's , the unions, etc exemptions to stay with current standards, not so for the little guy or small business like Mike and myself. Obamacare kills jobs. All the penalties kick in at 50 employees. Why hire if when you reach 50, there is a $100.000 penalty? ($3000 x employees over 30 per yr.) Many companies will fire folk to get to 49. Fix the old system and dump Obamacare. Give us vouchers or credits and let us pick our own insurance. FH must be a paid Obamaguy, no one else can have reason to defend Obama's 'ho-hum' record as he does unless FH wants to join the rich folk, via Obama favors, at our expense. FH certainly is not a businessperson. Neither is Obama. Romney is, let him get us back on track. 4 more years of a clueless Obama? Save us Romney and Ryan! Your country needs you!!

RLB, for sure we know that govt is needed, but not to the extent that Obama wants it in our lives. No balanced budget, spending out of control, you know the lists, why should we , as taxpayers, pay for the govt ineptness?

Regarding Dems and control.... Michigan, under Granholm, was ranked 49th out of 50 for business friendliness, companies avoided Mi like the plague and moved to other states, with their jobs, instead. We had a 2 billion dollar state debt. Snyder turned that around, as a businessman, he knew what to do, Granholm didn't. Now we have a surplus, now we are ranked 5th best . Look at Detroit. Run by Dems. Would you want to live there? My warehouse in Detroit is safer now, but only due to all the neighbors being armed, as the police do not respond anymore to calls unless it is a shooting, and those average 23 minutes. Even the Detroit crooks go to Dearborn to rob folk, such as the recent robbery by 3 from Detroit, robbing some folk on their porch. In Detroit, those 3 would have been shot dead. Only Detroit would ignore a gift of fixing up Belle Isle at no cost by the State Parks. Instead, they have no plan, and no action. All the schools are becoming charter as parents flee the Detroit school system. All run by the Dems, and Detroit is not the only example, look at Washington DC our capital,, another Dem jewel. How many Dem governors are currently in jail in IL, two? We need experience, not cronies to run our govt. Romney, save us.

FH, are you talking about the taxed pensions that all other states already tax, and only MI is the exception? Don't like taxed pensions, well, since everyone else taxes them, the gravy train is over. No need to peep. No money was stolen from education, it was just Obamaized, I mean 'redistributed' to a more useful endeavor which brings in more jobs and gives new grads a place to work. We can see in Detroit how all that extra ed money is really making their kids smart.

Romney at least has a 5 point plan, Obama had 4 years , and with an initial majority in the House and Senate to pass some plans, but gosh, he just couldn't come up with one that his own party would agree with. Romney's plan would also make your tax rate on estate and capital gains zero as well. So what? Not smart enough to have an estate? No investments to create capital gains? Why not.? Lazy? Just because some folk have no interest in providing for their future , creating wealth, and receiving perks associated with same, does not mean I have to be their caretaker and be denied the those same perks. Govt does not exist to 'coddle' us.

Regarding Obamacare, however the penalties work out, they are detrimental to hiring folk, and will force employees to spend money on healthcare via the govt, is that what you want? Transferring costs to employees for healthcare? I don't mind not paying healthcare anymore. Making car parts is fine by me. Employees won't like it though.

RLB, time to use your commonsense again, and vote out Obama who was much worse than Bush in all aspects. Otherwise you are not being true to your values, and risk being a hypocrite.

RLB ... you would probably find a lot in common with some of the loafers who hang around my warehouse in Detroit. Yesterday's conversation. "Going to watch the debate? "What debate? "Who are you going to vote for?" Obama! Why? He's a black man like us. He pays our disability...laughter.......What's that? Liver disease.....can you buy me a beer?"

These 3 clowns love Obama because, according to them, he is black like them, pays them not to work, pays for their drinking which got them disability in the first place, and also subsidizes their housing. The only other income they have is the one dollar I give them to possibly watch my place each month. This is why Detroit and the altar of the Dems is in trouble. No incentive to get a job, no incentive to do anything but watch me work, earn money , and pay taxes to support them. They are definitely part of the 47% and I suspect you are too.. The Dems have shown what they can do with Detroit, and it is pathetic. A welfare city, and the citizens like it that way, give me that Obama money!!

RLB111 Your wrong again their are 2 other pay grade over and E-9 and if you don't know what they are shut your pie hole.

The November decision is easy: If you're among the wealthy, Romney is your man --after all, they are his constituency. If you're poor or in the middle class, Obama has your back. What's more, when you vote for Romney, you are saying yes to:

1. A $5 trillion tax cut (skewed mostly to the wealth) that Romney cannot possibly pay for without exploding the deficit or raising taxes on the middle class.
2. $2 trillion in spending for the Pentagon on weapons they neither asked for or want.
3. More pollution to our environment, when Romney rolls back EPA regulations.
4. More high-rolling/gambling on Wall Street (which contributed to our economic disaster) when Romney repeals Dodd-Frank.

If, like Romney, you think these policies are good for our country, you need to have your head examined.

RLB III Gee, you actually read the web site, but you did not read all of it. The two other grades are CMMs and MCPON. Figure out what that is.

I agree with Thomas, Master Illiterate!

RLB, you are just jealous that wealth achievement is apparently beyond your grade level , as you don't seem to mind that your taxes are going up. Conclusion? You don't pay taxes. Try working for some wealth instead of living off the wealth of others. Eventually you may even get beyond the 47% grade level and pay some Federal taxes. Don't feel like the tax rate is high enough? You can always donate money to the govt to pay down the National Debt and help out your man Obama. When Romney wins, somehow I doubt you will complain when more money is left in your pocket. Now...time for one of your witty short comments that mean nothing.

How 'bout this, Lee? GFY.

RLB III...... GFY.....Good For You.......how polite , considerate, and thoughtful...

Wow! This "conversation" is all over the place. I respectfully wish to bring it back to some points closer to the discussion as it began:
1. China (and Japan) do own the most of the foreign part of our debt. But the large majority is owned by US corporations (insurance companies), government agencies such as the Social Security Fund, the FDIC and any of us that hold Treasury Bonds. The "borrowing from China" is very misleading- at the least.
2. Federal funding of abortions was made illegal by a law of Congress well before Obama was elected. During the last of the Affordable Care Act, the Michigan Rep from the Upper Penninsula insisted on redundant assurances be given that this prohibition would be upheld. It is.
3. I know that many men see that there is a war on women. But many men don't along with some women. Maybe you have to actually experiece it. I know Lily Ledbetter has. Maybe it took the whole personhood, must not take the pill argue ment or all the Republican State Legislatures' actions to get women riled up about having power over their bodies, but we are also getting concussions hitting our heads on glass ceilings.
4. The President's Promisanes: I remember from Civics classes that the President is the Executive Branch. He can't deliver when anything. he proposes gets fillibustered.
McConnell's goal was to make sure he did not get reelected- regardless with what playing poliics for 4 years would do to the country.

Just wait until they kill the power grid. #revolution