The large poster I received in the mail advocating Proposal 2 – an amendment that would put already legal collective bargaining in the constitution – had one startling omission that tells us much about the history of education in America and its challenges today.
The poster -- “What’s on the Line?” -- was well done, high gloss, and as are all such postcards these days, even those from local self-styled “fiscal conservatives,” very costly. The “What’s on the Line” poster featured professional photos of four different union workers: a nurse, a police officer, an autoworker, and a firefighter. Four of the workers were women; one was a man (the cop).
Strikingly absent from this advertisement was the figure of the school teacher. Contrast this with today’s NYTimes lead photograph on the story, a story that calls Michigan’s Proposal 2 the second most important item on the November 6 national stage.
Why wouldn’t the advocates of Proposal 2 (paid for by “Protect Working Families”) feature a teacher given that the teachers’ union is strongly promoting a yes vote on this amendment and, frankly, many, many people associate the proposal with the teachers’ union in that Proposal 2 originates, in part, as a response to educational “reforms” – both delivered and promised -- by Governor Snyder?
Governor Snyder, in fact, calls Proposal 2 a “back in time” proposal as it threatens his reform agenda tout court.
Quite simply, teachers, their unions, and sympathetic activists know the profession is demonized by huge segments of the population and a number of elected officials. Placing an image of a teacher on an advertisement designed to advocate for their interests, then, might actually damage the teachers’ own cause!
Teachers and their unions have to rely on pubic workers who usually get more sympathy (police, firefighters, etc.). They have to rely, too, on the experienced political muscle of the UAW, weakened perhaps, but still formidable in a way, say, your child’s second grade teacher is not.
How, a parent or a good young energetic teacher might be tempted to ask, did we get to this point where the profession was so vilified that it can’t even be featured on a collective bargaining poster?
My answer: we have been working at it a long time.
Don’t get me wrong. I would love to blame just the tea-party folks who seized the bursting of the housing bubble to emerge on the political stage and start identifying scapegoats.
But the fact of the matter is this nation, historically speaking, has never developed a healthy respect for its K-12 professionals to match the respect accorded the profession in other comparable cultures. And that is in part because in America K-12 teaching always has been primarily a female profession. Attacks are flaring up now because of real financial issues; but also because this historical trend is continuing unabated: something like 80% of K-12 educators are women.
Simply put, the hostility and animosity towards teachers we see today has a long American tradition.
Our public education evolved from the one room stone or wood frame schoolhouse usually staffed by the person the town characterized as the “spinster” or “old maid” who, the community thought, needed some form of financial support, something to do.
It is, of course, hard for most of us in 2012 to grasp the ugliness of this kind of thinking.
Nonetheless, these “spinsters” and “maids” had something to offer. The system reached its apex, perhaps, when, post war, large city public schools like New York literally produced miracles – as did its city colleges, infused by intellectual immigrants forced out of the disaster that was Europe. Detroit Public Schools was among the best systems in the country. One reason for this success was that, postwar, public schools found themselves with a labor pool most companies now can only fantasize about. In the 1950s and 1960s most women who made it to college or university had two career paths open to them: teaching or nursing.
Try this thought experiment for historical perspective, particularly if you are a small business owner or someone with hiring responsibilities in a corporation pulling your hair out trying to find and keep competent employees. Think of every talented female professional you know today – professor, engineer, attorney, CEO, accountant, physician. In the 50s and 60s their generational analogues were hoping to get jobs teaching elementary school. If you wanted to teach in a good district and make decent money you went to Detroit, not the suburbs. The vetting process was extensive: to teach in an elementary school you had at least five different interviews in front of fully staffed panels before a principal could consider you.
But even during these glory days K-12 teachers weren’t honored professionals. Quite the opposite. People may have had more respect for institutions, then, not teachers.
The attacks we hear today (overpaid for 9 months work that stops at 3PM, not strict enough, not able to teach the “basics” and so on, not competent in math and science) are the same attacks I heard from neighbors and family members, mostly male, mostly fantastically undereducated but with an extraordinary sense of their own value, against my mother who taught in Detroit for over 35 years.
The attacks we hear today I have been hearing all my life – and so has my mother even back in the 1950s and 1960s when public education supposedly worked so well. In other words, even when the system supposedly “worked” teachers endured constant criticisms and micromanagement from those outside the profession that no other profession (except maybe nursing) would tolerate. Nurses from the same era may recall the perversity of having to stand at military attention when the “Doctor” strode majestically into the charting area on the hospital unit.
Today’s simply crazy demands from the state for constant evaluation and assessment remind me of nothing but the strict 1950s and 1960s dress codes that my mother now laughs about. Female teachers were constantly scrutinized and monitored: no sweaters, no pants, and, get this, no bangs dragging on your forehead.
Improve public education? Absolutely. All hands on deck, especially folks capable of building solid long term financial systems. Please join us. Figure out finally how to fire bad or incompetent teachers? All in, believe me. A year of my daughter’s educational life was utterly wasted by a terrible teacher in a top rated district.
But “reform” education by having those steely eyed businessmen tell the little ladies what life is really like and how it should be done because their math isn’t good enough? I heard that kind of "stuff" playing with hotwheels on the kitchen floor in 1970. That’s not looking forward for change; that’s not even “back in time” pace Governor Snyder.
That is standing still in time.
Amy Cardin
8:38 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Write-in Ken Jackson for President.
You are brilliant and you "get it!" Thanks for this amazing post. Not sure this was your intent, but you make me feel empowered as an educator, a woman and a supporter of our district schools. Perhaps you yourself will consider a school board run in the future, once your personalized coat of armor is made?
Thanks Mr. Jackson.
S Sera
9:06 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Wish I could read something written by you every morning.
I second Ann's comments on Finland's system of educating teachers.
S Sera
10:42 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I second Mrs. Cardin's comments as well!
Elizabeth
9:41 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Outstanding!
Neal Charness
9:47 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Great post Ken. Teacher unions arose because of a great imbalance of power which was used to impose artificially low incomes on them even as the education and credentialling requirements increased. Teachers have a huge financial investment in their education just as attorneys and doctors do. Should we bar the AMA or American Bar Assn? I don't think so. Just remember that the teachers are what make our schools great--they're not the enemy. Great post Ken.
Joe Judge
11:25 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
A wonderfully written defense of the teaching profession and an accurate historical perspective, but (and this is where I may disappoint some of my Patch friends), to Neal's point, a teacher has the same extraordinary investment in their education as do other professionals that obtain a degree and then who further themselves by obtaining a postgraduate degree. The difference is that most people who have a degree or postgraduate degree (who are not teachers) do not have a union that, arguably, and I'm just saying arguably, negotiates benefits paid by the taxpayer which may be more than the public can afford and in excess of what is generally available to the rest of the folks working in the private sector (sorry Neal, the AMA and ABA are simply not unions) That's the knock on the teacher's union. (cont.)
Joe Judge
11:26 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I think that most of the push-back here isn't aimed at teachers (or at least it shouldn't be), but more against the teacher's union and the perception that we can't afford all of the benefits that they protect. Not sure how I would solve this. We have to protect teachers and yet we have to invest in growing our state's economy too. So this is a discussion about intelligently investing tax dollars. Some would say tax more, but I think there's ample evidence that our prior tax policies in MI weren't helping businesses. So where's the win-win? It seems to me that the answer has to be in expanding the tax base and, for that reason, I think the Governor's bet on businesses is a wise one. Don't lead with spending. Start by creating an attractive platform for business growth and then you will generate taxes that can be invested back into the public education system... which will allow us to take good care of our teachers.
Joan Berndt
10:13 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I second both of Amy's suggestions! Our country and our school district need people with your perspective to serve as elected leaders and policy makers.
Thank you for your eloquent defense of my profession . As one of those female college grads of the late '50's my choices were limited as you say: teaching or nursing...or forget your education and become a secretary...or better yet just forget it and become a housewife! Not that there is anything wrong with the last 2 choices, but women had a hard and long road ahead to be accepted in all the professions and work places they are today.
The teacher bashing needs to stop. I would encourage anyone to spend one day serving in the shoes of a teacher (and keep in mind a "day" is normally 12-14 hours long) to fully understand that these dedicated professionals care about your kids and influence their lives forever.
Please seriously consider a possible run for our school board or the OISD board. Our future generations need someone with your insight to make policy and protect public education.
Linda
7:50 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Ms. Berndt, I dont't think I have read any bashing of teachers or their profession......just teacher unions. If I read Mr. judge correctly the other professions you liken to teachers: doctors, lawyers, accountants ....don't have unions demanding ever more compensation and benefits from the tax paying public to service their careers.
Ken Jackson
11:19 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Thanks for the nice words. But blogging is relatively easy and doesn't take much time or effort. School Board work? Oh my goodness gracious. Watch the last study session through to the end. Mac provided the link earlier. For the moment I am content that we have four excellent candidates running; I regret I can only vote for 3. I do wish other candidates like Mr. Baron would step forward. Women and men who know and understand long term finance and financial structures and value public education without pre-determined ideological bent. BHSD is rich in many forms of talent and training.
Ken Jackson
11:38 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Mr. Judge,
Tempting. Would that all on your side of the political spectrum felt that way. But in my experience many don't look for win-win. They look only for the "kill," as in gut public education entirely. The economics are, indeed, bizzaro and require a serious rather than ideological analysis. A physician or dentist, for example (I will avoid lawyers), may hate the unions or hate public education and fund those politicians that wish to gut the system. But if these professionals (more than likely trained by highly state and fedarally subsidized universities, either through direct aid or NSH NIH grants) succeed they succeed only in hurting their own interests. Here is how: Many, many consumers of dental care, for example, pay regularly for services only because of union negotiated (partial) pay. Kill the unions, kill the contracts, less trips or no trips to the Dentist. The Dentist looks up one day and says what gives? Where's the money? Answer: you funded the wrong politician. How to solve that....
Parentaxpayer
12:23 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
The teachers are not respected because they themselves do not respect their profession. If they did respect their profession they would not only allow but encourage the unions to make it easier to dismiss the bad teachers. The districts basically can not fire a bad teacher. It takes years and a court battle with the teacher's union to see a bad teacher let go. The bad teachers drag all the good ones down with them.
Neal Charness
12:57 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Teacher/union bashing by a pseudonym. (Previously posted under that pseudonym). There is a good point that we should have a way to get rid of bad teachers--working positively with the teachers and union (so it's clear what the intent is) makes sense. Saying the teachers don't respect their profession is counter productive and not helpful
Joan Berndt
1:03 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I suppose we all know what a good teacher is and what a bad teacher is. However, in order to fire someone, any kind of unprofessional or bad behavior must be documented. If bad teachers were not fired in the past, somebody at the administrative level didn't do his or her job. It is insulting to imply that teachers or anyone else want to have "bad teachers" around. The new tenure laws and the new teacher evaluation laws provide a more accurate way to document any shortcomings seen in a teacher's performance. The unions get into the picture, not to protect bad teachers, but to make sure that every teacher has a fair, accurate assessment and receives due process.
Parentaxpayer
4:47 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
It is unfortunate that your response is that it is "insulting" instead of acknowledging the slow pace in which bad teachers are removed is a legitimate problem and a detriment to the profession as a whole.
Marcia Robovitsky
1:33 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Vote NO on ballot proposals 2-6 as those proposals have language that would make them part of the STATE CONSTITUTION. That is not good.
Jon
5:10 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Marcia, in general I agree with you. I think amending the Constitution should be taken very seriously, and have no patience with amendments designed to benefit narrow interests.
I do fear that the results of the Prop 2 vote will be over-interpreted, both in Michigan and nationally. On this one alone I am willing to research the possibility that I should make an exception to my "no constitutional amendment" rule. I appreciate Mr. Jackson's views on the subject.
Marcia Robovitsky
6:29 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Please remember, Prop 2 is NOT just about teachers. This ballot proposal is dangerous to the future of Michigan if it becomes part of the state constitution.
Neal Charness
2:47 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Marcia: I don't take a position on your view of the proposals but you have to know your post on this thread is gratuitous. You wouldn't like something this off point being posted on your blogs, it's not very respectful to the blogging process.
Marcia Robovitsky
2:59 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
In the title of this blog is Proposal 2. Vote NO on ballot proposal 2. Why? Because if passed, the language would become part of the STATE CONSTITUTION. The language becoming part of the state constitution is NOT good.
Neal Charness
5:00 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I stand corrected. The discussion was in different directions and you've posted your thoughts on the proposals so many times I thought you had just dropped this in but Proposal 2 is referenced in the title.
Marcia Robovitsky
5:40 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
The important thing to remember about Ann's comment above: That legislation is NOT in the state constitution and may be amended, changed or eliminated depending on its merits and how it actually affects the system. I say, work outside of the state constitution for issues that matter to you. Thus, vote NO...proposals 2-6.
Parentaxpayer
5:58 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Exactly. If prop. 2 passes they will most likely wipe out any recent legislation to reform the system. The unions THRIVE on seniority so I am sure we would return to those ways.
Neal Charness
6:07 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Again, gratuitous union bashing does nothing to deal with our kids' education. If that legislation creates an imbalance of power it should go away.
Parentaxpayer
6:18 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
If you consider stating the facts as "bashing" then you are not of the mindset to solve any of these problems.
Parentaxpayer
6:22 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Neal, if you don't believe seniority plays a huge role with the BHSD teachers than you are not familiar with "co-teaching" in our high schools.
Neal Charness
7:43 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
"Parentaxpayer:"
If you'd like to be taken seriously be serious enough to stand with your name.
Marcia Robovitsky
8:30 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
There is Ann, Elizabeth, S. Sera, Mac, Jon ..... so why is Parentaxpayer a problem for you? I don't know any of them. Get over it... not everyone wants to be identified ..for whatever reason.
Jenny Greenwell
6:34 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
From what I understand, some of our BHSD teachers are not comfortable at all with the concept of teaching in teams. Talented, hard-working teachers prefer to work as individuals, and hold themselves accountable for connecting with students, engaging them, and reaching some degree of mastery of a subject. I am anxious to hear from teachers about recent mandates regarding classroom management and and working within a new "21st. century education" framework. Should our students be encouraged to learn in groups? (Collaborative learning) Or is individual effort and achievement better for most in the long run? Please weigh-in on this discussion if you are a teacher or student who has knowledge of upcoming changes in our schools. Protect your identity if you feel that you should.
Lots of students study and do lab work, projects, etc. in groups. Nursing training is a good example. But students (who plan to enter professions) must be held responsible for mastering a subject as individuals. (I'm not as concerned about teachers as I am concerned about students.)
Parentaxpayer
6:45 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
The co-teaching I am referring to is the use of two teachers in a classroom at the same time, teaching the same thing. Although my understanding is that the second teacher usually just sat in the back of the classroom looking at their laptop. It appears these second teachers were just stuck in a classroom because there was not really a need for them in the building yet, due to seniority they could not be let go.Very similiar to the autoworkers "job banks".
Neal Charness
7:47 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Can this be substantiated? If it can, it's a real concern. If it's just an allegation and not a fact it becomes like Jenny Greenwell's comments that people don't find credible for their lack of substantiation and her unwillingness to back up her allegations ("hit and run").
Parentaxpayer
9:04 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Substantiate? Sure, call either of the high school principals and tell them you want them to explain co-teaching to you.
Elizabeth
10:02 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
What you describe is not what will be used or what has been my kid's experience with TEAM teaching. My child has some team teaching in middle school in Algebra. It was a class of students that needed extra help and so there was an extra teacher who came in to work one ine ine with students as they worked independently. In high school the team teaching was a double block Humanities course. That was English and Social Studies combined so what they were writing and reading about for the English portion of the class worked with what they were learning about in the Am Hist/Social Studies. It was a class specifically designed to work the two subjects together.
The discussions regarding TEAM teaching for the brew high school is working in teams to combine what is being learned in, let's say a science class with a math class. There are a number of disciplines that connect in various ways. It is to broaden the curriculum and for the benefits of students, not to employ teachers who are no longer needed.
Elizabeth
10:05 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Sorry for the typos.....the iPad isnt the best for responding on the Patch.
Parentaxpayer
10:28 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
This was not team teaching,and it went on on many more classes than just humanities. It was two teachers in a classroom because they had more teachers than classes going on and nothing for the teachers to do. Plain and simple.
Elizabeth
10:56 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
My kid has never experienced what you are talking about. Plain and simple, what you are talking about is NOT what is being talked about in the Curriculum CPC.
Marcia Robovitsky
11:26 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
I found the word "co-teaching" in the search section of the new BHSD website.
http://www.bloomfield.org/search/index.aspx?q=co%20teaching&cx=015396195302369673362%3A2k8vryphpm4&cof=FORID%3A11
However, the links showed "page not found".
This does indicate that co-teaching was a term used...but this does not describe how the teaching was shared. Perhaps we should ask an administrator how co-teaching works.
Proposed Deficit Prevention Plan 2011-12 - Bloomfield Hills Schools
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Mar 23, 2011 ... 11,200. Optimize class size K-8 (2.0 FTE) and reduce HS courses less than 18 ( 1.0 FTE). 234,000. Reduce co-teaching (2.0 FTE). 156,000 ...
www.bloomfield.org/download/category/1-p?download...deficit...plan...
Pay cuts, savings, program changes proposed for BHS 2011-2012 ...
Mar 29, 2011 ... Reducing co-teaching: $156,000. · Combine the orchestra classes at Andover and Lahser: $40,000. · Eliminate the high school foods class: ...
www.bloomfield.org/.../804-pay-cuts-savings-program-changes-proposed- for-bhs-2011-2012-budget
S Sera
9:39 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Parentaxpayer,
Co-teaching and team teaching are two different things.
Co-teaching is an instructional delivery approach in which general and special educators share responsibility for planning, delivery and evaluation of instructional techniques for a group of students; general and special educators work in a coactive and coordinated fashion, which involves the joint teaching of academically and behaviorally heterogeneous groups of students in integrated settings.
Team teaching is a program in which two or more teachers integrate their subjects, such as literature and history, into one course, which they teach as a team, to create a broader perspective for the student.
What you are reporting has nothing to do with seniority since general ed teachers are not certified as special education teachers and the "goals" of team teaching and co-teaching are different. In either situation it is logical to assume that when teacher is delivering instruction one teacher would be "passive" as students can't listen to two people talking at one time.
Elizabeth describes both of these situations well through her examples of when each has been used.
Linda
7:56 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Yes co teaching it sure does sound like automotive job banks, another way to keep people on the job with a high paid salary that you don't need. Make no mistake it seems to me most teacher union endorsed proposals light to be viewed cautiously for motive.
Jenny Greenwell
7:07 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Please don't forget that Prop 2 (collective bargaining in the state Constitution) refers to public and private unions.
I live near the vacant field where GMs "truck and bus" plant used to team with well-compensated workers and year-round production of magnificent vehicles....I used to work for the News and Free Press before they were forced to combine business operations....we used to circulate over 1-million copies daily with retail ad revenue to support all...What has happened? Can we afford to allow it to continue?
Neal Charness
9:40 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Parentaxpayer: Invective is not substantiation.
Parentaxpayer
9:52 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
My answer was not invective. You're not going to believe anything I could say to substantiate my claim of co-teaching so I suggested going to the source of allocating teachers through out the buildings, the principals.
Neal Charness
11:01 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012
Nor will anyone else P'payer if you don't try to back it up. Chris Fellin tries this approach often. Ask him how it's helped him out.
Marcia Robovitsky
10:58 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
For those that have NOT voted yet.... here is a link to an article where the author, Phil Power, founder and chairman of The Center for Michigan wrote:
"Reserve constitutional changes for serious matters; reject Props 2-6"
http://bridgemi.com/2012/10/reserve-constitutional-changes-for-serious-matters-reject-props-2-6/
Ken Jackson
12:09 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Mr. Kowalski, the astute editor of The Birmingham Eccentric, had a very thoughtful take on all proposals in last week's paper. I would refer you to his opinion page both last week and today.
Neal Charness
7:18 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Chris: Whether we agree on ideas is one thing. Your (and Jenny Greenwell's) methadology of constant attack of the district and the nonfactual statements you and she have made, along with the lawsuit you had no good reason to file other than to try "to throw a wrench in the works" (which seems the basis for Moigis and Greenwell running for election) makes you (and her) bad actors and you deserve to be called out. Your interest is in being divisive and destructive not positive change. Sorry for the harsh words but "me thinks you doth protest too much."
A concerned citizen
2:19 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
You seem to be making a career out of vindictively attacking those who, for now, have saved Pine Lake School from being turned into rubble just to salute your ex boss, Steven Gaynor, his real estate speculator buddies, and his blind followers. Real estate speculators, builders and constructors are still drooling and hoping for more profits from that 22 acres by putting up “family friendly housing” and killing a perfect elementary school located in a lovely, sleepy neighborhood. All courts have acknowledged the valid deed restriction, but influenced incumbents like Ingrid Day and rubber stamper Joan Berndt supported efforts to buy off the donor’s heirs at the expense of the community. If it would not have been for residents like Jenny, Gaynor’s overly inflated $145M Mega High would have begun in 2003, and our district would have been tossed into a deep financial hole. Without concerned citizens like Jenny Greenwell, W.F. Moigis and Howard Baron, we’ll head back to where we’d been with Gaynor and his cronies. You and you frequent Patch Pals, who also seem to despise Mr. Fellin and Ms. Greenwell, should not railroad this community and a fine superintendent like Rob Glass with your ill conceived and brain washed rhetoric. It is you who “deserve to be called out” and should “stop throwing a wrench in the works”. Let others enjoy reading Patch and not have to deal with the froth of you and yours. What a waste of time. Get enlightened at www.bhsforum.com
Mac
3:15 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
www.bhsforum.com is Chris Fellin's website; Chris Fellin is also the treasurer for the committee financing the campaigns of Greenwell and Moigis.
Jenny Greenwell
3:57 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
I am pleased to be one of many adults in this community who understand that students, education outcomes and academic achievement, are more important than anything else, including compensation to adults, in a high-perfroming, respected public school system. I don't believe that a 12-lane pool is what most educated adults feel is important at this time. Will we broaden our curriculum to include indoor sailing? Are nearby districts closing schools?
What are we doing that is so wrong? We are forgetting about the well-being of our students. This can't continue. I hope area voters will understand that the board and their "insiders" need to be challenged. Our students deserve better.
Mac
4:11 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Ms. Greenwell, the final BHHS will have less swim space than we have currently. Is your argument that we should not have swimming pools? Should we reduce our swimming and diving programs?
Yes, nearby districts are closing schools.
High performing schools have good teachers. Good teachers, like everyone else who does their job well, are drawn by good compensation.
Neal Charness
4:46 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
If you read Ms. Greenwell's blog from 10/25 about why she's running for the two year seat and her other recent blogs lashing out at the district and board members and compare them to her posts during July or August where she was trying to convince the voters she accepted their vote and would work with people you can see there's a lack of consistency and focus. Putting anyone on the Board of Trustees implies a fiduciary relationship to the community. Ms. Greenwell has never displayed any behavior warranting that sort of trust by the community. After all of her childish rants over the past few years she is the last person to be sonsidered an adult. Protect our students and schools from her.
Amy Cardin
7:40 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Oh Chris, it is hard to imagine your intentions being pure when you have personally done so much harm to the district. And the "facts" you skew and spew, reforming them into something that has very little resemblance to the truth. The hundreds if thousands of dollars YOU cost the district could and should have been spent in the classroom. Chris, you are one person. What you think is "right" and "best" for our children and community is your opinion only. Thankfully you are not in any sort of leadership position that might foist your negativity and single-minded nastiness on unsuspecting children.
Neal Charness
9:23 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Chris: What's vile is your actions and disregard for the students of the district. Hence you might be called "reviled." You have brought this on yourself. We all have choices. You chose as you did.
Linda
9:42 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Give me a break.....a tad over dramatic ....you conveniently accuses Chris of wasting district dollars while turning a blind eye to multi million dollar consultants, expensive advertising to generate support for losing bond proposals, dollars down the drain maintaining empty school buildings, a couple o FOIA's would likely turn up a longer list of questionable spending decisions.
Linda
8:08 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Hmmm...."the board is a fiduciary duty". Sure is......remember Day et al Herner, Berndt and the rest of the group all tried to steer us down the river with a 4000 student high school, 120 million bond issues, etc etc etc.....all rejected because Jenny led this district to demand better solutions. If anyone has demonstrated fiduciary duty it's Greenwell. VOTE FOR GREENWELL AND MOIGIS
Mac
8:23 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Neither Berndt, Herner, nor Day proposed a $120 million bond issue. No proposal for a 4000 student high school was made during Day's tenure, and certainly not during Herner's or Berndt. Berndt has been on the Board for less than a year.
This non-fact based thinking is the reason we cannot afford people on the Board who throw bombs without facts.
Elizabeth
8:46 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
A proposal for a 4000 student high school......pretty hard to do when I don't think this district ever had 4000 high school students.......even in 1975 when I graduated which was close to if not the peak, there were not even close to 4000 high school students.
Neal Charness
9:25 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Members of the Board have a fiduciary duty (not "is a fiduciary duty'). I sincerely doubt that with her temperment and inconsistency and lack of understanding of basics she is incapable of fulfilling a fiduciary duty.
Linda
8:30 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
You are right there have been so many proposals, over a short period of time involving somany multi millions of taxpayer dollars and divergent proposals it has your head spinning.
Mac
8:36 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Not so much. I can keep them straight.
S Sera
9:06 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
No problem keeping them straight here either.
Linda
9:03 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
I hope the Non incumbent school board candidates know when elected they will inherit becoming landlords of empty school buildings, employers of a bevy of costly consultants, heads of a proposed medical clinic, making the term "is there a doc in the house" a reality; overseers of major new construction, ....hope they have time and energy left to do their main job of ensuring we are educating our students for the future.
Linda
9:10 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Oh I forgot because my head is still spinning...They are also farm managers.
Amy Cardin
10:10 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Linda, your previous 2 posts highlight the fact that you have very little idea what the job of a school board member is.
Linda
6:03 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
Per earlier posts of others, "will the real Amy Cardin, please stand up, please stand up."
Neal Charness
8:27 am on Monday, October 29, 2012
Linda is emblematic of the supporters of Ms. Greenwell and Mr. Moigis. If she is representative of you feel free to follow her advice. If not, please stand up and vote and send another message that their methods and destructiveness has been repudiated by the community. It's up to you.