The BHSD's "wellness center" (i.e., clinic for employees) is well on its way to becoming a reality, and our school board has found yet another way to distract themselves from their mission.
A Board of Education is supposed focus on the education of students in their district. Ours seems to focus on everything else.
Tell me, should our school district enter into the health care business? What do you think?
Don't we already have doctors and clinics in our area? Aren't some of them paying taxes to the school district and township?
Seems to me that medical care is readily available in our area. Is a taxpayer-funded "private" clinic a good idea? I don't think so, and if I was on the board of education, I would have acted to shut this issue DOWN.
Some argue that the clinic will "save money." No proof was offerred at the study session. BHSD employees already have health insurance and those with chronic health issues should be smart enough to maintain a relationship with a trusted health care provider.
The clinic will likely be housed in the former Parks and Rec building on Dublin Street, near the intersection of Telegraph and Long Lake Rds. Outfitting the clinic will cost an estimated $80,000. It will be staffed by a physician, a nurse, and a medical assistant. The clinic will be open for 24 hours a week. All services will be "free" to BHSD employees.
"Free?" What kind of health care is "free?"
The kind that taxpayers pay for.
I'd prefer that my education tax dollars be spent to benefit our 5400 students.
I'd prefer that our school board challenge our administration to address the significant achievement gap that exists in our schools, and the fact that our district's state and national rankings, along with our enrollment, have declined.
Frankly, if I was on the BHSD Board of Education, I would insist that every agenda item relate in some way to academic achievement or at least to benefit our students. (I'm on the Nov. 6 ballot for the 2-year partial term to see if I can help the school board focus on the Education of Students.)
This "wellness center" does NOT benefit our students in any way, and the plan should be dropped.
Ken Jackson
12:30 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
I don't fully understand your point. Certainly BHS should review carefully its benefits for employees as should any institution but you seem to suggest that this is outside the scope of a School Board's job. I don't get it. I have two kids still in the district and I very much want a School Board that considers all sorts of options for teachers in light of major changes in the way public education is funded. If you don't think a well trained, well paid, and reasonably content teaching staff is related to the education of students, well, then, I wouldn't want you having anything to do with my kids district. As for the district plan itself: Patch was kind enough to link your blog of last spring in its story. There you will find a number of responses to your concerns. Are you able to address those responses in any responsible way or is this simply another opportunity to attack?
Jenny Greenwell
7:41 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Perhaps you should read my comments again, Ken. Do you want "all kinds of options for teachers" or all kinds of options for BHSD students? I'm the kind of person who wants bright futures for the students of our well-funded district. I think student achievement should drive board decisions, and spending!
Neal Charness
4:14 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
It probably makes more sense for Kwame Kilpatrick to run for mayor of Detroit again than for Jenny Greenwell to try to reimpose herself and irresponsibility on our community in running for a seat on the school board.
Jenny Greenwell
7:43 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Neal, why didn't you register as a candidate? Is it easier to sit at home and criticize others? I guess so.
It's time to focus on the needs of our students.
Linda P
10:56 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Jenny I applaud your interest in running for the board. Anyone has a right to run and if they don't think you should be elected they should run themselves but they don't they just want to bash and insult.
Neal Charness
12:02 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Jenny: You've run a "scorched earth" recall the board campaign full of errors and unsubstantiated allegations. I'm not interested in sitting on the board. I am interested in making sure your candidacy is unsuccessful. I believe you are dangerous to the children and the community. Your history in previous campaigns is disgraceful. I don't believe you have a focus on anything but being destructive to the district since your exit and I don't believe the needs of the students really matters to you. I'm sure you disagree but after the better part of the year reading your blogs and comments I believe the best thing I can do to take care of the needs of the students is to keep you off the board.
mdt48302
8:50 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
You say, “Some argue that the clinic will ‘save money.’ No proof was offerred at the study session.”
But you do agree that if it is TRUE that the clinic will save money, you would support it, right? Saving money IS an appropriate activity for the Board, right?
Jenny Greenwell
11:26 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Dear anonymous writer:
Please identify yourself, by name, in the future. As an anonymous person, readers must recognize that it is possible that you have some interest in this issue that may affect your opinion and should be made known.
It is a FACT that the clinic will COST MONEY and those costs, as yet undetermined, were discussed at the study session.
So, we do KNOW that costs are involved.
Savings? TBD.
As a priority, I think that improving student achievement is MORE important than
"saving money."
How much does it COST to hire a tutor? How much does it cost to pay for a remedial course at a college or university? 21% of BHSDs 2009 graduates required remedial courses to be successful in college-level courses.
Why? Shouldn't we expect our graduates to be well-prepared for college-level studies?
I did not move to Bloomfield Hills to "save money" on public education. I moved here because I thought this district was committed to top-quality instruction and academic outcomes that result in high state and national rankings.
The BEST way to ensure top-quality public education is to FOCUS on education and outcomes.
I think BHSD employees already have access to excellent health care. For people with chronic health concerns, Oakland County is a good place to live.
I think our BHSD employees are smart enough to take good care of themselves, and I am surprised that any of them would be interested in going to this "clinic."
mdt48302
11:52 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I didn't express an opinion. I asked a question. Which you didn't answer.
You say, "Savings? TBD." Hypothetically, if there ARE savings to be realized by implementing the proposal, would you support it? Even if, as you say, you “think that improving student achievement is MORE important than ‘saving money.’"
Chris K
10:57 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I don't live in this school district and don't know all the details but is this sort of service being offered to teachers in other school districts so that the district has some template that this is a benefit to the taxpayers and employees? Just what sorts of medical care will be provided? Mammograms? Treadmils? Weight Watcher meetings, strep throat testing? Did the district survey its teachers to determine whether they would use this service versus their own physicians with whom they would have an established physician - patient relationship? I hope they don't do this in my school district!
Isaac Barr MD
12:09 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
It is not true that it is offered in other school districts. Please name the school districts where the school board pays TWICE. One in health insurance with minimal personal participation fpr employer and family and the other an extra health care clinic that is a luxury clinic above and beyond what the personal does not give. Does it, will it, improve the our student education, or is it another perk that the richest school district in Michigan provides? Why not give your excess dollars to Pontiac schools, on your border, who get 40% less of Michigan money than BHSD?
Nancy Jo Brown
11:45 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
If our teachers get medical coverage as part of their paypackage than why do we feel need to pay them twice? I want my school taxes to benifit students. This idea does not.
Neal Charness
12:47 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Looking at the comments on Jenny's previous post about this program it seems that the district is at least partly self insured. If we can deal with some medical treatment through a program such as this instead of our extremely expensive medical/insurance company driven alternatives the district would save money. If we run up fewer high bills this way our costs will be lower. Hence, we're not paying twice, we're finding a way to get lower treatment costs it seems.
My information is from the posts on Jenny's previous attack post. I'm not holding myself out to be an expert. If someone has more accurate, factual (not bold type unsubstantiated allegations) that would certainly be useful for all of us.
Ken Jackson
3:07 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I would refer you to Ms. Greenwell's earlier blog and the number of responses it generated. Briefly, she made comparable charges of irresponsibility and poor judgment about the Board last spring regarding this issue. A number of individuals took the time to respond to these attacks, including the teachers' union. For Ms. Greenwell to make charges, then get a response that addresses her concerns, then make the same charges again (double-dipping, etc.) does not bode well for candidacy. So -- I ask again -- Ms. Greenwell can you respond to the earlier discussions? Or this simply an attack?
Jenny Greenwell
4:13 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
If was a BHSD employee, I would be very wary about this plan, and I doubt that I would opt to participate, given a choice.
You know, there is a family medical practice on Long Lake Rd. just west of Telegraph. That business pays taxes to both the school district and the township. Perhaps an agreement could be reached with that practice for convenient visits for BHSD employees? Would not be surprised if some already go there!
Why spend education tax dollars to set up a clinic within a few yards of this existing practice?
Neal Charness
12:39 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Jenny: Your posts indicate again why you're tempermentally unqualified to serve on the school board: a poster asks you to answer a direct question and, instead, you go off on her. I don't remember you making similar comments when so many of the NONO /B2020 advocates posted under pseudonyms.
Ken Jackson
1:34 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
You do seem to be averse to answering questions. That is not a good sign as a candidate for any office. Here you seem to want to offer a false choice: the BHS Board can concern itself either with its employees (mainly teachers) or the education of its students. This isn't an either/or proposition. A responsible school board member has to do both. You can't reasonably expect to constantly attack the institution you propose to serve?
Ken Jackson
4:36 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
Thank you for the response. I was really hoping for you to address the informed respondents of your earlier blog but I guess I will take this. Here you seem to think it is worth exploring options for BHSD employees, like the school board is doing, but you have a different idea, a specific provider. I doubt very much that would work for the largest employer in BH but I do find it more persuasive than your condemnation of the BH plan under consideration as corrupt or misguided somehow. So you disagree with Mr. Barr that the BH plan is a double tax of some kind?
Jenny Greenwell
4:48 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Her, who?
Most legitimate publications, including the News and Free Press, do not publish letters or articles written by "Anonymous." You have to sign your name, take responsibility for your comments, to be credible.
Apparently, "her" refers to the person who asked if "saving money" is a function of a school board. The answer is no. Trustees make decisions as to how money is to be spent, in accordance with the values of taxpayers and the best interests of students. Trustees provide financial oversight, and are accountable to taxpayers.
Will the start-up/operating costs of this item benefit our students? Many taxpayers question its value. I would vote NO on this, with good reason.
There is no direct/indirect benefit to students, and I doubt teachers would welcome this plan, either.
Let me hear from YOU! Should the BHSD open a clinic for employees? Please look up CareATC. If you need more information, our CA can provide literature for you to look over.
Board members must do this sort of "due diligence" prior to committing precious funds intended for education to any proposal.
Please: Do your homework. This is not a "spa," it's a very basic clinic, open 24 hrs a week. Blood tests, flu shots. It is not an ER.
I've done my homework and haven't heard a reason for the BHSD to enter the health care business. We can find better ways to spend the $80,000+ start-up cost and on-going operating expense.
Isaac Barr MD
2:59 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Neal Charnasty has only personal devious attack and no concrete contribution to the discussion. His remarks are frequently inappropriate.
Neal Charness
5:30 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Ms. Greenwell continues in attacking, refusing to answer questions, and then making personal attacks on people asking her questions. Again, does this display the temperment of someone you would want on your school board impacting your children and community. I urge people to read her many blogs and posts. They will serve to demonstrate this more than my words.
mdt48302
5:46 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Let me try to get through one more time.
It has been asserted that this proposal will REDUCE the over-all cost to the district of providing health benefits to district employees. I am not certain of the details, but I suppose that this will occur by reducing health insurance and self-insured health costs by more than the cost of the clinic.
I don't know whether this is true or not. If over-all costs would not be reduced, I would be opposed to the plan also.
But if it CAN be determined that the district would SAVE MONEY by establishing the clinic, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL? Or are you simply opposed to ANYTHING the current school board does, whether it saves us money or not?
A candidate for the school board needs to answer this question!
My name is Mark Torres, I've been a resident of the district for over 17 years, I have a daughter who graduated from Andover, and I have no other relationship with the district whatsoever, other than as a resident and taxpayer.
Ken Jackson
5:53 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
This is a fair question. What is your point here? Are you asserting the School Board is acting irresponsibly in seeking health care options? Do you really think the employment situation of teachers has nothing to do with education? Why won't you respond to the positions staked out by the union on your earlier post? Are you saying the School Board is not telling the truth or distorting things? You suggest, like Mr. Barr, that the Board is cheating and the teachers will somehow have 2 health care plans. Do you really want to assert that in writing? I tend to agree with you about people being responsible for what they say. To your credit, you have signed on to be a candidate for the board. But surely you must be willing to answer questions about your words.
Marcia Robovitsky
9:02 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Apparently Jenny Greenwell attended a BHSD study session discussing the proposed health clinic. She has expressed her opinion based on what she heard. Some information was not discussed? How many responders know any facts about this proposal? What has the district shared with the taxpayers on this issue? Were there surveys with the teachers or was this issue put in the new contract?
I sent the following email to the BHSD on Aug. 16. No response yet.
" Hello, I was reviewing the BHSD website, and I noticed that the August 2011 check register information was missing. Could you please include it on the website? Thank you.
Also, where can I find minutes of study sessions of the Board of Trustees? I wanted to read about the proposed health clinic issue. Apparently bids were received in February and opened in March. Community "partnership" committees were to discuss the issue? Did they? Are there minutes of those meetings?
Where can I review the bids submitted for the proposed "wellness clinic" or other similar wording of the health care proposal?
Should this be public information? I am under the impression that the issue may be voted on at the Aug. 23 Board meeting. I'd like more information before that date if possible.
Also, I read that new contracts were approved at a past meeting. Are those contracts available to the public to read? If yes, where?
I am new to the Bloomfield Schools as of 7/13/12. No children in school. Thank you."
Elizabeth
10:24 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Welcome to the BHS District Marcia,
Just to let you know, the District is in the middle of revamping their website. I think they hope to have the new one up and running in the next couple of months. Until then, you can find the agendas and minutes to the Board Meetings under the Board of Education Tab. The links are below, but I suspect that you might have already found them since you found the check register. Anyway here are the links:
Agendas: http://www.bloomfield.org/download/category/4-meeting-agendas
Minutes: http://www.bloomfield.org/download/category/5-meeting-minutes
I don't believe the minutes are put on the website until they have been offically approved at a Board Meeting. But you will find that all Board Meetings and Study Sessions include public comment.
The Community Partnership Committee Agendas and Meeting Summaries (not minutes) are found through the Strategic Planning 2018 link at the right side of the BHS home page. Click on that link, then click on the Community Partnership Committee link and you will see all the agendas and summaries listed for all the different committees or you can use this link: http://www.bloomfield.org/component/content/article/781
If you would like to hear about the contracts approved at the Board Meetings, on-line videos are available here: http://bhstv.bloomfield.org/category/bd-of-ed
I don't recall which meeting they were discussed in, but I am sure you will find the Board Meetings interesting and informative.
Elizabeth
10:43 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Continuing comment:
I see that you sent your message to the District on August 16th. Since today is only August 18th, I believe it is reasonable that you have not yet received a response back. This is a busy time of the year with the beginning of the school year only two weeks away. I suspect that a FOIA will be required for some of the information you are looking for. However, should you elect to attend the next Board Meeting, there are packets available with all the background information on the agenda items. I believe that this packet will include much of information you desire.
I plan on attending, so maybe I will see you there!
Marcia Robovitsky
9:14 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Second comment: I moved and now can vote in the Bloomfield Hills School District and I will vote for Jenny Greenwell for the two year term on the school board this Nov. 6. I want someone who will study the issues and discuss the merits pro and con of those issues with fellow board members and the public. It sounds as though the study session was not thorough in the details of this proposal. Were all the members of the school board present at that meeting? Do they know all they should know? Was public comment permitted at the study session? If no, how can the public taxpayer weigh in on the issues? If anyone can provide a specific link concerning this issue from the school board, I would appreciate receiving those links.
Jenny Greenwell
10:44 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Marcia, only 5 Trustees were present at the study session (Berndt and Banks were missing). I stayed for 90 minutes, and NO PUBLIC COMMENT was allowed.
Details, such as any projected "savings," were not included in the presentation.
Thank you for your excellent questions. I was not able to discern any valid reason to proceed with this proposal.
Neal Charness
10:59 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
If you look at Jenny's comments over the past regarding the school district she is the antithesis of someone who will study and discuss the merits with fellow board members. It's all attack and when some one asks her a question she evades it or attacks the questioner. A person as you describe would be very good, Jenny Greenwell is not such a person.
Howard Baron
11:05 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Marsha, I attended the study session and received an information packet on the proposal. I will read through the material and research the proposal before rendering any opinion on the subject. There was a public comment agenda item and 1 person made a comment.
Educational excellence must go hand-in-hand with fiscal responsibility. Educational excellence comes first but it MUST be accomplished in a fiscally responsible way.
Elizabeth
11:43 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Thank you for that information Howard. I am glad to hear that there was indeed public comment at the meeting as the agenda indicated. I look forward to hearing your opinion once you have reviewed the information.
Jenny Greenwell
10:40 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Thank you ALL so much for posting comments to my blog! I am glad to be able to raise so much interest in school district business. Please continue to read The Patch and follow my blogs. I promise to help keep school business in front of the generous, intelligent taxpayers who have provided premium funding to our school district! I am very proud to be part of a community that supports public education. Thanks to all of you for paying attention to school issues. Please continue to do so! WE are the top-funded school district (of 550) in the state of Michigan. With proper attention to spending, we can be the top-ranked, academically, as well!!
Marcia Robovitsky
12:13 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Neal, I find most of your comments in this thread to be the one who is the "attacker" and your obvious dislike for her is so noted. Do you have anything to offer to the proposal of the health clinic? What do you know about the issue?
Howard, it is ..Marcia... While you were at the study session on the health clinic, did the board members DISCUSS the issue or did they just get a presentation by the "winning bidder"? When was the winning bidder chosen? By whom? Does your packet show the other bidders that were not chosen? Did the board members receive the "packet" at the meeting or did they have a chance to review it and study it BEFORE the meeting. I realize you may not know the answers...just asking.
Elizabeth, thank you for the links. I've been reading...not finished yet, but have not seen anything yet on the health clinic issue that helps me. Also, I know that email responses take time, and await the answer. Where would one pick up the packet that Howard has and you have mentioned?
All readers: If each person could add WHAT they know about this issue, it would make the reading more pleasant and informative. Jenny has mentioned a place/start up costs/ only open 24 hours a week..../for teachers only/ ...... Are there disagreements to those comments? Are there variations to those comments? IE: alternate sites/ other ways to fund alternatives/ possibly open to others in the future????? Hey, let's have a conversation on the ISSUE. Thanks.
Howard Baron
6:58 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Marcia, sorry about the spelling. I'll try to teach my fingers to do it right.
Neal Charness
10:38 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Marcia: The voluminous posts and blogs by Jenny Greenwell show a persistent pattern of attack against the district, the board, and other posters. On the blog she started this spring about this issue as a reason to vote against the school bond she comment to one poster: "Judy, you live in West Bloomfield, correct." This along with her "looking down" at other districts in some of her posts during the school board election demonstrate a temperment that should preclude her from serving on the board. If she has comments or questions she would do well to attend meetings and ask them in a reasonable fashion. Based on what I've seen over the years I believe she is still trying to get "even" for not being reelected even though she managed to hit the Detroit News with her ad/flyer that she blamed on the printer. It's her temperment that makes her unsuited for service on the board. As I indicated I will work hard to ensure that doesn't happen. There is no legitmacy to her candidacy.
Elizabeth
11:11 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Marcia,
I wasn't at the meeting, so I don't have the packet either. I suggest that you go directly to the District and specifically ask for the packet associated with the study session. I am staying out of a detailed discussion on the issue, because most of the information I have is either from watching Board meetings (available to anyone on-line) or is so old that I assume it would now be out-dated and possibly incorrect.
As for my opinion on the wellness center. If it can be a net savings to the district allowing the savings to be put back into the education of our students, I would support it. If not, then I would not support it. If the savings can be proven, I could see that it would be a benefit to the employees to get prescriptions, flu shots, a quick visit to a doctor (or maybe it would be a nurse practitioner), or the like. Jenny talked about getting flu shots at the County. That is what my family does, because for one shot at a Dr.'s office or CVS, I can get my entire family immunized. But I have to say that it is a hassle and if I had an opportunity to get the shot more easily and economically, I would take it. That being said, the first hurdle to cross is if the clinic provides savings to the District allowing more dollars to be spent on education.
Victoria Kulis
2:49 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Running a medical clinic is no small matter. They were not able to maintain the schools and they supposedly became run to such a degree that they need replacing and renovation so how can another facility not added to the cost? Now they want to run another business unrelated to teaching our students. The cost will be astromical. Just think they will not only need a physician or a nurse but other personel like maintenance people trained in keeping infections down etc, office pesonal of several different type to keep and maintain and update records. let
alone supplies and equipment. Has anyone priced an xray machine lately.
Also, what is the demographics of the facility? Will someone who is ill want to travel 15-20 miles to a clinic if they do not live in the district? I wouldn't.
If some sort of medical insurance is going to remain intact why would anyone want to change their doctor and go to a clinic instead of their doctor who they know and trust.
Lastly, many teachers have spouses that carry health insurance that could suppliment what needs to be reduced or paid out of pocket. Health insurance was not always a part of a job's benefits. So we all need to tighten the purse strings and do with a little less or pay personally.
V. Kulis
Ken Jackson
7:12 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
As a school board candidate do you agree with Mr. Barr that the BHS is double dipping somehow? Do you believe there ongoing discussions about the wellness center, et. al. are somehow trying to cheat the public? Do you agree with Ms. Kulis who suggests that BHS is not maintaining their schools and that some form of health plan really isn't necessary for teachers? Pace Marcia's suggestions for a more directed discussions are you in fact willing to respond to the information posted on your earlier blog? Thanks.
Jenny Greenwell
8:30 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Thank you, Ms. Kulis. I don't think this project makes much sense at all, and you are correct: the start-up costs are significant and operating costs will be on-going.
I'm wondering if our staff welcomes this idea. (I wouldn't.) I am sure they have their own doctors, and frankly, if they choose NOT to see a doctor at all, they should have that RIGHT! (Flu shots are readily available at Oakland County, and the county health dept. does a great job! CVS and Rite-Aid also have them in season.)
Jenny Greenwell
8:30 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Thank you, Ms. Kulis. I don't think this project makes much sense at all, and you are correct: the start-up costs are significant and operating costs will be on-going.
I'm wondering if our staff welcomes this idea. (I wouldn't.) I am sure they have their own doctors, and frankly, if they choose NOT to see a doctor at all, they should have that RIGHT! (Flu shots are readily available at Oakland County, and the county health dept. does a great job! CVS and Rite-Aid also have them in season.)
Chris
9:06 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Dear Patch Community,
This proposal intrigues me. When I attended the bid opening I thought the cost of this service was quoted from around $500,000 and close to a million (I may be wrong, but this is my memory).
I'm sorry I was unable to attend the study session. Is there any kind of business case that forecasts a net savings to the District?
I hope there is a big net savings, otherwise this is an unneccesary distraction from the huge task of planning and managing the high school project. We all need to keep our eye on the priority; education. And that means assuring the high school transition is flawless.
Ken Jackson
10:14 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mr Fellin!
What a pleasure! I thought you had retired from school board discussions. Welcome back. Perhaps you could articulate why you at least think there is an either/or proposition here. That is, why are you discussing a propose heath care plan as if it is separate from education writ large? Ms. Greenwell, I know, is the candidate but she seems reluctant to answer. I want the School Board interested in all aspects of education and anything that produces a well educated, talented, trained, and healthy teaching force.
Neal Charness
10:45 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Chris: You make good points. What it seems to me, but I don't know, is that this service would reduce the district's health care expenditures because we're partially self insured. If that's true it makes great sense. If it was an additional net expense on top of what our health care costs are I also would have trouble with it. I suspect the critics believe or want others to believe that's what is happening and that the district is being irresponsible. It seems the critics want to talk about the costs without considering the savings. That's like complaining about $1000 of insulation that will save you $2500 in utility costs over 5 years. What's more relevant: the $1000 cost or the $2500 savings? Which would you want someone managing your money to consider.
Again, you raise good points.
Isaac Barr MD
11:29 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012
As a health care professional working in Michigan for many years, I want people to understand that opening a clinic in the present political climate is something that everybody involved in healthcare is trying to avoid. To open a clinic today means to subjected to a mountain of rules and regulations and is expensive. More clinics closed in last 3 years than opened, many clinics were taken over by hospitals. The bottom line is in the DETAILS of the plan, how much will it cost to BHS to run it, will there be savings etc. An independent public accountant should provide the community with a transparent un biased account. What Jenny Greenwall is focused on is simple, Mr. Charnasty, Jackson and others, "WHAT WILL ADVANCE THE SCHOLASTIC ACHIEVEMENTS OF OUR CHILDREN ?" Is a health clinic going to contribute to it? Will ALL BHS administrators and Board members benefit from the clinic? If the clinic will save money to BHS as proved by an un biased professional while providing healthplatinum clinic, I will support it. If it will create a financial burden in addition to already declared financial short comings by BHD than we all should be against it. BHD needs a "second opinion" to it's policies and decisions. So far ALL seven board members rubber stamped any and every decision. Mrs. Greenwell, who I know well, can provide an in depth discussion and better decision making which will bring greater community support to BHD.
Ken Jackson
1:59 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mr. Barr,
What do you mean "will all BHS administrators and Board members benefit from the clinic"? Are you suggesting something criminal or unethical here? More importantly,does your candidate, Ms. Greenwell, share your opinion about the current board or administration? That seems a simple enough question to answer for a candidate. Why won't she? And, given your discussion of the complexity of healthcare and particularly health care finance in the modern world would you care to comment on Ms. Greenwell's counter suggestion that all BHS employees just go to the local practice on Long Lake? It seems like she sees a simple solution here -- perhaps there is one -- but a professional like yourself disagrees.
Neal Charness
12:11 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
"Dr" Barr: The question is whether this will save the district money or, in some way, add to the education of our students. Your question regarding whether board members of BHS administrators would benefit is another attempt to impugn the integrity of those people. Rationally, if this plan would save money by reducing health care costs/insurance expense of people receiving health care coverage it should apply only to those with that coverage. If administrators are covered this may save money on their health expenses. If board members aren't covered there would be no reason to include them. Your question is an attempt to impugn the integrity of these people. I would hope you know better.
Parentaxpayer
3:01 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I think the idea of a health clinic for staff is really silly for many reasons but what really bothers me is that they would consider using the old parks and rec building butting up to the new high school property for this. Parking is still going to be a big issue when the new high school is done. There are no promises that all upper grade students will be able to drive them selves to school and park, which is not just a luxuary when you consider off site after school sports and jobs,etc. To dedicate parking space for a clinic that could be better used by students attending the new high school would be wrong. IF, and that is a huge IF, it is economically sound (which I highly doubt) to run a health clinic for staff why would it not be housed in the Doyle center where they have recently spent multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars rehabing?
Jenny Greenwell
6:58 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
The clinic may be made available to other school districts, municipalities or groups. But the start-up cost, estimated to be as much as $500,000, will come from the BHSD.
In other words, our STUDENTS will pay for it. Let's hope our Board of Education does not proceed with this project. Our students need and deserve to have education tax dollars dedicated to developing their intellectual potential. Given a chance, I would encourage our Trustees to vote NO on this issue.
Kat1324
3:02 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Wellness centers ARE being used by both school districts and large businesses with many employees. I am not surprised that the Bloomfield Hills School District is looking into it. It has translated into millions in savings for the Pasco County School District in Florida in just the first year, while improving employee health care and reducing the amount of time out of the classroom for the teachers. Watch this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYaReG49cg
Neal Charness
4:44 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
BTW Jenny: I don't see any of your criticisms of posters such as Parentaxpayer since he/she is agreeing with you.
Keep blogging Jenny, this will keep your campaign mercifully short.
Jenny Greenwell
7:08 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
It's too bad that more citizens did not register to run for board seats! Only 6 people for 3 openings. What a shame that our board did not vote to return to 4-year terms effective immediately.
I think that 4-year terms might draw some very worthy citizens into the "contest."
You know, the more often an elected official or candidate faces his/her electorate, the more "in tune" that person will be with the desires and values of that electorate. That's why I've decided to run for the 2-year partial term. Six years is just too long! We've had to appoint TWO of seven Trustees due to resignations! Voters should have the right to elect Trustees to 4 year terms.
Isaac Barr MD
5:06 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
1. It is not clear who will enjoy this clinic. It is, to the best of my knowledge, not spelled out. It is one thing to provide health care to 300 or to 3000. Our experience with Bloomfield Township Senior House shows that non tax paying people joined the club. Health care clinic is a privilege given to a defined population. Who are these? Will permanent employees only enjoy the privilege or any, including temporaries, be part of the clinic? Are families included? 2. Health care costs are mounting and quality of care with certain health care plan is decreasing. The math is pretty simple: how much does it cost to provide health care presently to permanent employees? To temporaries? How much will the clinic cost? Is the clinic an addition to given medical insurance privileges or a separate, independent entity? Is it going to be an HMO type or US senator platinum health care plan? 2. The concern that Mrs. Grenwell, myself and the rest of the 20/20 folks was and still is to creat a highly respected student body with high scholastic achievements. I do not speak for Mrs. Greenwell. Yet, when the "unification" plan was discussed, all hundreds of residents involved focused on one issue: "make BHS the best is the country with International Academy as our model". Non of the participants had a personal, financial, philosophical interest in the discussion. See my comment on wellness plans below.
Jenny Greenwell
7:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I do not see any correlation between this "clinic" and any benefit to students, either
direct or indirect. Therefore we should NOT waste time or money on it.
Perhaps the BHSD should open a shoe store or tattoo parlor (with tax dollars) instead?
I wonder how much money has already been committed to this project...a "site visit" to Florida, a consultant....I would like to spend that money on students, wouldn't you?
Ken Jackson
7:45 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
Yes, I certainly see a potential correlation for a health plan that works well for employees and is fiscally responsible and the benefits of the students -- including my two kids. Better paid, better trained, and more respected teachers generally improves education. Frankly, and I don't mean to mimic your tone, I can't see how you can't see the potential correlation. This may, in fact, be a proposal, but if it makes sense financially this would be money spent on "the students." Your analogies of a shoe store or tattoo parlor are, you must admit, extreme, obviously written to try to insult. Any project of this sort by a sizable institution such as BHS requires some minimum investment. There probably has been money spent. You seem to suggest, however, that such money (if spent) has been spent improperly. Do you have evidence for said? If so, bring it forward; if it is compelling I would help you pursue redress of any misconduct. If not, please stop impugning the integrity of people trying to do the actual work. Do you have such evidence or are you just making unfounded allegations?
Isaac Barr MD
5:10 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
WELLNESS PLANS. Corporate Wellness plans are generally a failure: National Work site Health Promotion Survey Programs revealed 5 reasons for failure:. "lack of employee interest accounted for 63.5%; insufficient staff resources 50.1%; inadequate funds were responsible for 48.2%; failure to engage high-risk employees added another 48%; and, the inability to elicit the support of upper management resulted in 38% more of the reasons why work site wellness programs did not achieve their goals for wellness and health. Thus BHS should not create a Wellness program, rather a full health care clinic that replaces ALL current employee health care plans, OR abandon the idea of Health care clinic at BHD altogether. Knowing the difficulties and cost to establish such a clinic I feel that the idea for this clinic should be tabled indefinitely.
Ken Jackson
6:48 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mr. Barr,
Thank you for the response. I share many of the concerns expressed here, including your comments about "Wellness" plans. I would be concerned, as an employee, about major shifts. But, as Mr. Fellin said, if it is cost effective it needs to considered. That is, I find some of what you say here persuasive. It is much more productive to have a conversation -- here and elsewhere -- that doesn't begin with attacks. Ms. Greenwell, I think, is to be credited with creating a discussion about this -- last spring and now. I have concerns, however, about her blanket statement that she would "shut this down" now before examining it and also suggesting improprieties by the board without evidence. I also find troubling her willingness to suggest that the board's interest in this topic is not about education. Education is a big job, with many pieces. Is it at all possible to raise these concerns in a more consistently productive fashion?
Neal Charness
5:32 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I believe all of us are in agreement that we don't believe the health care clinic should add to the health care expense of the district (Again, if spending $100 now to save $250 over 5 years that's not adding--you have to look at the whole picture).
Barr's comments about scholastic achievements of BHS don't comport with all the statements he made about taxes and that school age families lived in smaller houses and took advantage of older (perhaps wealthier) taxpayers. Barr is about taxes, anything else is a smokescreen. His statements after the election defaming the school board and district show his true intent. Do not believe his smoke and mirrors.
Isaac Barr MD
8:36 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mr. Charness, If you do not have anything to say just shut up. I demand respect from you. My name is DOCTOR Isaac Barr. I was a professor of Medicine in Wayne State and University of Michigan. I add my experience as a teacher of students who graduate from American High schools. Foreign graduates are frequently better prepared for college while BHS graduates required remedial classes-23%. I am not concerned about my children and grand children. All are well positioned. I am worried about Ken Jackson's two kids and the rest of BHS high school kids. Please understand that these kids are going to face fierce competition for universities and jobs. The Ivy universities class of 2015 already has 20% Chinese. And they deserve it. Almost all have a perfect SAT scores. You and Mr. Jackson do not read Mrs. Greenwell and myself well: We have one interest, create an efficient high school to secure the future of America, our kids. We are not here to fight with you, to be insulted by you, to misrepresent me or Mrs. Greenwell. We want a professional BHS board that is familiar with education. Here is the issue for you to ponder: what is more important: A longer school year or a Wellness PR clinic? International Academy has 41 more schooling days than BHS. Japan schools have 60 more schooling days than BHS. Japan schools are rated #4 and US schools, see PISA, are #64. Go home and cry for America the beautiful. I warned you and One Bloomfield United many times. This was always the one issue.
Ken Jackson
9:43 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Mr. Barr,
Thank you for your concern for my children. That said, how have I misread you or Ms. Greenwell? Here, like Ms. Greenwell, you offer a false choice: you suggest the issue is about choosing between a longer school year or a Wellness Clinic. But that is not so. Neither the current board nor any future board would be faced with such a simplistic choice. I want a school board candidate who does not present false choices or set up false either/or propositions or wrongfully accuse others of negligence or worse. I haven't heard anything from Ms. Greenwell to suggest she is capable of anything else. She did suggest BHS employees go to a family practice on Telegraph but surely someone with your experience realizes that might be problematic solution to rising health care costs (for what it is worth, the greatest threat to America). If this is what she has to offer I am very skeptical; I will keep reading and listening.
Neal Charness
10:06 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Dr. Barr: Respect is earned not demanded. Repeatedly calling me "Charnasty" after I sincerely apologized for incorrectly spelling your last name for months doesn't engender respect. I tell my soon to be 4th graders that you cannot demand respect it must be earned. At this point, based on your posts, defamatory comments, sneering at the families of school age children, and using a tragic death to take one more shot at the school system, you have not earned any respect as a person. I don't know you as a physician but your personal conduct would give me pause.
That being said, I would ask you a "yes" or "no" question. Is a longer school year precluded by the wellness clinic. I would also oppose it if it added to long term health care costs for the district.
Ms. Greenwell is using this to make the Board look irresponsible or inept. She can't possibly win a seat on her own merits so she must make the current board look awful. Then she somehow thinks she can work with the other members of the board after poisoning the well. This speaks to a temperment that properly would preclude her candidacy.
Isaac Barr MD
10:54 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Guys, I gave up. You win! This is my last communication.
J Arch
6:47 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Dr. Barr, as opposed to your credentials, what is in question is your tactics of continually stringing together half-truths, innuendo and personal attacks. I have several times pointed out where you had made outright false statements and during the bond election you were even taken to task by targets of your irresponsible accusations and threatened with a lawsuit before you ceased your rantings. As a result, your credibility is zero with many of us. As an example, above you make the ridiculous statement that the IA attends school 41 more days than the rest of BHS. The number is actually closer to 15. My oldest daughter attended the IA and I have previously discussed the things that lead to its high performance, and while certainly more academic time doesn't hurt, the biggest contributor to the IA's overall level of performance is that it is a school where students self-select to be there. That means that comparing results of the student body at the IA to the rest of BHS or any other district, for that matter, is apples to oranges.
As it relates to the current topic of the District proposed wellness center, there is an interesting article in today's Detroit News that discusses the trend toward wellness programs and their tangible and intangible benefits. I encourage participants of this topic to read it.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120820/LIFESTYLE03/208200331/Michigan-employers-embrace-wellness-programs?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
J. Wagner
Jenny Greenwell
8:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Please try to avoid bullying behaviors..it sets a bad example for our students. Such things as name-calling and personal insults are not appropriate, especially in print.
Thank you to all who read my blog, and to all who care enough about public education to follow the many issues and thank you to all of the generous taxpayers of the BHSD. To be honest, I think the greatest challenge to public education is just plain apathy. We need to CARE about the intellectual development of our students. I believe that many have unreached potential. The achievement gap is evidence of that belief. I have a very special blog in mind, and will try to prepare it today. I hope you will read it and enjoy it. Thanks for caring.
Ken Jackson
9:17 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Ms. Greenwell,
Who are you accusing of bullying? I just quickly reviewed all the posts and it is difficult for me to see what you are talking about. Can you be specific? When adults use language in a public forum they are responsible for that language. For example, if you are referring to "J Arch's" comments (you seem to "reply" to that post) about Mr. Barr those characterizations are, unfortunately, demonstrably true. Mr. Barr in the past has accused people without evidence -- not only of being stupid and uninformed,etc. -- but of actual crimes. I might not use the word "ridiculous" when describing some of his inaccuracies yet I don't think that constitutes bullying. When you write in an electronic forum there is a considerable challenge. Anyone at any point can trace your words, your positions, your characterizations and so on with relative ease.
Neal Charness
9:38 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
The NONO/B2020 group bullied the district and community for years. That's not to say some of their arguments didn't have merit. But the community soundly repudiated the bullying this spring. Dr. Barr felt he should be able to post anything he wanted to and not be called out for it. It doesn't work that way, for me, for you, or anyone else although a very occasional poster might justifiably be cut some slack. Folks like you and I are reasonably entitled to questioning. In fact as a blogger, not a poster, you make yourself a public figure which is your choice. That's partly explains why you're willing to run for office and I'm not.
I agree with your comment about apathy and caring, it is important.
Linda
9:10 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
There is a significant difference between a "wellness facility" and a "medical clinic". A wellness facility is generally a resource for medical information in general and promotes good health and yes, many private companies do this to encourage good health habits. A medical clinic is something completely different...it offers patient intervention, administration of medicine and requires certified doctors and nurses
Certainly a medical clinic is a more significant and very costly proposal. It is my understanding that the BHSD is proposing a " medical clinic". Which in my opinion is a questionable, very questionable project for many reasons. This country is in the middle of potentially massive changes in health care administration and cost shifting and why anyone would venture in those waters with a medical clinic given this situation is lunacy.
Isaac Barr MD
10:59 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
I did not plan to write more E mails because of personal attacks on me. We want to discuss issues not personalities. I want to thank Jenny Greenwall for having the blog to bring this issues to public's attention. Why don't any of our Trustees have a blog on the Patch? Why do we have to count on Jenny Greenwell to communicate with taxpayers? There are questions which require answers. So far we did not see any discussion except for important comment by Jenny Greenwall and my comments on issues. When you have no answers, yes, you bully....Regarding the number of schooling days in IA I agree that presently it is 18 (172 in BHS and 190 in IA) days, but still the concept of lengthening school year was not discussed. Mind you: in Japan the school days are 243 which means that the Japanese kids are at school for 13 years, not 12 as in BHS.
Neal Charness
11:51 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Please don't confuse commentary on your positions as personal attacks. That's how you keep getting in these spots. You've created all of this, at some point you have to take responsibility for your words and actions. Then you can earn respect and people can consider your comments. It's not right for you, Dr Barr, to act as if you're a victim.
J Arch
12:28 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
I find it telling when someone is called out for misrepresenting a piece of information and their response is to claim they are being bullied. The tactic of reporting false information was played out repeatedly by Dr. Barr and others during the high school bond campaign. In Dr. Barr's case it got to be so extreme that he brought the threat of a lawsuit upon himself. If you blog something that is intentionally misleading or outright incorrect, you yourself are responsible for being called out on it. You can prevent that from happening by refraining from that very behavior. Trying to sidestep that responsibility by claiming that you are being bullied only further erodes your credibility.
J. Wagner
Jenny Greenwell
6:25 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Please make a point to read the article on the front page of today's Detroit News, entitled "Employers embrace wellness programs."
That's "programs," not private medical clinics in taxpayer-paid facilities.
The article talks about company-sponsored athletic teams, having a Weight-Watcher meeting "at work." I am sure that many employers provide help with general fitness, diet, smoking cessation and perhaps even addiction recovery. Such "wellness coaching" is not what's on the BHSD agenda. The BHSD is considering a $500,000+ medical clinic, open 24 hours a week, to provide basic health services for employees.
The question, as I see it, is: Do we want to spend tax
dollars intended for the education of our K-12 and special needs students on this clinic?
Will employees want to use it?
If you would prefer to send your response to my personal email, it's jdg5678@aol.com. Thanks! I'm interested in your opinion.
Neal Charness
7:53 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
It seems clear that unless the district shows the wellness program or clinic will result in an expense savings on a long term basis (I'd like not to fall into the trap of looking at start up costs as recurring costs because they're not) we shouldn't do it. Beyond that I'm starting to think this discussion is fairly premature and we should talk about what positive steps we can take to enhance the education of our kids. This has become a side show with hurt feelings and we can't really resolve it because the information is incomplete. I am neither willing to say yes to this without all the facts and I think it's foolish to say no until we know. Again, if it's not positive let's leave it at home.
Jenny Greenwell
9:23 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Excellent points, Mr. Charness. I sat through the first 90 minutes and it seemed to me that this may not be in the best interests of BHSD employees. A lot of attention was given to the compilation of "de-identified" medical information that is not typically available under HIPPA privacy protection.
I am not sure that this is a good idea. If I had AIDS, (or other controversial issue) I am not sure I would tell a clinic operated by my employer.
Teachers deserve privacy, and if their performance in the classroom is GOOD, shouldn't we let them deal with their health issues as they choose?
(As a side note, I prefer to refer to BHSD enrollees as "students." They are here to be educated, to get smart, to reach their intellectual potential. I have "kids," and when they were young, I took them camping and threw them birthday parties. Parents have "kids," but school districts have "students.")
I would love to see BHSD students be as smart, and as able, and as limitless as their talents and abilities allow. Am I dreaming? Can we do it? This would make me so proud and happy.
All of our students deserve our respect and our dedication to their fulfillment and success, in whatever they choose to do.
I like your comments, and agree with you. Thank you. You are correct: We are missing key information. I would like to know if our teachers WANT THIS.
Parentaxpayer
9:51 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Here's how I see it will work. The district will require the staff to use the new clinic for immunizations,annual tests,etc, to justify it's existence and so the place is not a ghost town. Since the teachers will be forced to go there they are going to demand the time off of their school day for their appointments, in their next contract negotiations. So you figure out of the teachers salary they will get 3 additional half days off a year, plus the cost of the sub to cover when they are gone, so there goes any potential heath care costs savings plus teachers out of the classroom. All that to justify someone in the Administration or School Boards wild idea so we can be the exemplary Bloomfield Hills district.
Neal Charness
10:28 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Parentaxpayer: I really agree with Ms. Greenwell on this one. If you believe in what you're saying have the courage to put your name behind it.
Regardless, it seems there's a lot of speculation in your comment and not much fact because no one has the facts yet. We're really jumping ahead here. You do seem to have an anitpathy towards the teachers who are the lifeblood of our kids' education. I don't think anyone wants the teachers or any district employees to take advantage but your comments assume bad results. Let's wait until we really have information.
Jenny Greenwell
10:51 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Some parents with school-age children are wary about identifying themselves for fear of any possible social consequences. That's ok. They should not do anything that may work against their own best interests, or beyond their comfort level. I do agree that it is better to converse with people known by name, but it's not always possible.
Elizabeth
9:46 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I just have to ask this then, why did you not afford mdt48302 the same courtesy? It would seem to me that any person, regardless of their situation, might be fearful of possible social consequences and therefore feel a pseudonym is necessary.
Jenny Greenwell
10:39 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
I would also like to have more facts. There was no representative for the teachers at the Study session, which lasted about 4 hours. I stayed for 90 minutes, as I had a meeting to attend that evening. I wanted to ask a couple of questions, but was not offerred an opportunity. I would like to know if BHSD teachers and staff WANT this clinic. I would also like to know if it can be connected in any way to a benefit for our students. If it "saves money," that's swell, but if staff does not want it, I think we can find other ways to conserve precious funds.
Frankly, I'm not comfortable with the concept, and would like to KNOW more.
Thank you ALL for your attention to this matter. j
Neal Charness
11:03 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Ms. Greenwell I would ask why the difference in your reaction to Parentaxpayer today and Mdt48302 on August 18 in this same thread. Why the inconsistency?
Jenny Greenwell
9:52 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
oops. I'm having a hard time keeping up with all these comments, sorry.
Here's the point: I hope people will look into this and send a comment to the board.
The Trustees have the authority to accept or reject this idea on behalf of the taxpayers. I am SURE they will be interested in your opinion, as it is their responsibility to act in accordance with the values of those they represent.
The board has not asked for your opinion, and that is unfortunate, but you should learn about the issue and share your thoughts.
Apathy about public education is dangerous. We have to CARE.
It takes a community of interested people to operate a superior school district.
Marcia Robovitsky
11:07 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
I posted a NEW BLOG on Patch because it was LONG and could not fit in this post.
I received a copy of the packet distributed at the study session for the wellness center proposal. I give facts and my thoughts and opinions. Please read and respond with your thoughts. Thanks.
http://bloomfield-mi.patch.com/blog_posts/wellness-center-proposal-aug-23-7-pm-doyle-center
Jenny Greenwell
9:59 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Note to ES: There is no "reply" button in your comment box.
When I saw the word "parent" in that particular screen name, it occured to me that confidentiality might be an issue. If "mt" had said that anonymity was REQUIRED, I would understand that. In certain cases, it is essential to protect one's identity. It's ok to just say so. Papers used to print letters signed "name withheld" to protect the writer. People have all kinds of issues and problems. I'm all for protecting the vulnerable among us.
Neal Charness
10:20 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Jenny: I don't recall that anonymity was required for Parentaxpayer either. If you were to have replied to Elizabeth that you made a mistake that would make sense but you ducked that. I fully think you have much to contribute as a taxpayer but these sort of things are why I don't believe you have the temperment to serve on the Board with others (I'm not sure I do either, to be fair) and why I feel it important to not have you win a seat.
Elizabeth
10:49 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
That is partially what I suspected Jenny, that something in the name triggered a different response from you. However, there is no guarantee that a person's pseudonym is a true descriptive of who they are or their circumstances. Therefore, we should accept the comments from all regardless of the name or the point of view. I see no reason why mdt48302 should to have to explain that anonymity was REQUIRED and for Parentaxpayer to get a pass. No one should have to explain why they are using their own name or a pseudonym and no one should get a pass regardless of their point of view.
FYI, if there is no reply button, then it was a reply to another comment and you have to go to that original comment's reply button to add your response. The system will put the comments in order when you hit refresh.
Marcia Robovitsky
10:57 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I learn something every day. I always wondered why I couldn't reply to some comments. Thanks Elizabeth for the computer/Patch tutorial.
Parentaxpayer
1:12 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Sorry I caused so much trouble, but it is true I am a parent in the district I would rather not take the cold shoulder or rude comments from parents who do not agree with me. I may also be a BHSD staff member who would rather not be forced to use this facility and do not want the retribution from those that are trying to create this mess.
I think the hair splitting going on here against Jenny is despicable. Granted she may not often deliver the message well, but the information she puts forward is valuable. How many of us would even have known about this clinic issue if she did not bring it forward? I do not think Jenny knows how to play well with others so maybe the sand box we know of as the BH school board is not the right place for her, but I do believe she truly cares about the students in our area and hope she stays involved. Now on the other hand, Marcia Robovitsky did a really nice job dissecting the packet of information on the clinic proposal. Despite staying on top of school issues for the past decade I have never heard her before. Maybe Marcia should be running for a spot on the school board. Marcia?
Neal Charness
2:01 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Not an issue with you just how two similar posts were treated. I do believe one of Jenny's agendas is the well being of our students. Her other agendas cause the other issues that you described well. I believe she has input but should not be on the board.
Marcia Robovitsky
2:07 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I chimed in quite a bit on Patch in the past on Bloomfield Hills schools blogs....but didn't have a vote. Now I do. I don't like sand boxes where the kids throw sand in your face. My attitude is to try and stop the behavior/actions. If it means jumping into the box, so be it. Perhaps that's what Jenny is doing and I will certainly support her with my vote to be a new 2 year school board member in November. There is a lot happening with the new high school. She would be a great watchdog for all the taxpayers as the process continues. She will ensure the STUDENTS come first and the focus is education. She'll be one vote, but a voice for all the taxpayers. She will question issues and get people talking. I like that.
My sand box is at the township. Many would suggest I don't fit in there, either. I write a blog about the township: http://bloomfieldtwphappenings.blogspot.com
You can find my archived blogs are on the right side column. I want the township to be better and I really do care about my community. School board is NOT what I would want to do.
The frustrating part of being a watchdog is that no one likes hearing the barking. Sometimes you even need to growl to get the message out. What everyone needs to realize is that you don't shut the door or window, but open it up and see what the barking is about. Do something to correct/change/influence the situation even if it just commenting on PATCH and sharing ideas and thoughts in a constructive way.
Parentaxpayer
8:06 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
This comment is taken off the bloomfieldhillsforum.com site.....
The plan I knew of and the plan I VOTED on designated the old rec dept building land to be used for sports facilities for the new high school. The plan posted on the district website shows a baseball/softball field and a rectangular field which looks like a soccer field on the land that is/was the rec. dept. building. Right next to that is the tennis courts, which will need parking which would also be on the rec.dept. building land. You can see this on the the BHSD website at http://www.bloomfield.org/files/hs_transitionplan/bhs-120214.pdf .
I reluctantly voted yes on this plan knowing it was insufficient in that sports facilities would be crammed or even missing on this new site. Now the board wants to make it worse. I would then consider the bond election fradulent
Marcia Robovitsky
10:14 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
From the study session board packet....p. 6 question #5.
"How is the ORIGINAL new high school site plans affected, by selecting as the wellness center site, the building located behind old central administration?"
Answer:
BHS stated: "Based on our internal discussions and review, we would lose some green space and/or potential outdoor practice area."
p. 7 Question #1-- "Is there an urgency for acting on this matter at this time?"
Answer: BHS states: ".......... With many groups including BHEA, transitioning to a high deductible plan ($1250/$2500) as of November 1, 2012, URGENCY EXISTS."
(capital letters were put in by me for emphasis)
Jenny Greenwell
5:18 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
The board will hold a study session about the high school design development and this might be a good chance for you to register any concerns about the site. The meeting starts at 5 pm in the back hall of the Doyle Center, if you are able to attend. It is open to the public, but few people typically are present. It's worthwhile if you can manage the time.
Jenny Greenwell
8:35 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
You know, it makes more sense to use this land for parking than for a medical clinic that might not make a lot of economic (or other) impact. Parking is expected to be a problem, anyway, at this site. Traffic issues are still being discussed. I'll have to see if I can locate a site plan or some documents. The "schematic" developed by Fielding Nair is essentially a cartoon; not an architectural drawing. (Yes, we paid a lot of money, almost $1-million) for a cartoon!) A synonym for "schematic" is "cartoon." Ask Mr. Webster if you want the entire definition.
I wish our students the very best for this school year, and I hope that they are able to transition to a new school year without difficulty.