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Top 10 Reasons to Vote No Tuesday, May 8

Keep the tradition that has made Bloomfield Hills Schools great!

  1. Smaller is better, 600-900 students per high school is the sweet spot.  That is best for our students.  That is what we need to preserve the tradition of educational excellence. 
  2. A No vote will keep Andover and Lahser and regardless of grade configuration, schools will be smaller and closer to the sweet spot.
  3. Most important to educational success are parental involvement, high expectations and good educators.  A No vote does not change this.
  4. Our focus should be on reading, writing, math and science.  Instead, sixty percent of the proposed $79M high school spending is devoted to non-academic spaces. 
  5. A new high school will not improve property values.  There is no positive correlation between the quality of the school building and property values.  Only when educational outcomes improve does the school district drive property values in the right direction. 
  6. The district has not been able to relate the new school building to educational improvements.  Ironically, the proposed building is designed for a so-called 21st century education model, but most parents and teachers are not embracing this.
  7. In a bad economy or bad real estate market, a fixed millage means rates (your taxes) must rise to meet repayment obligations. 
  8. The District forecasts a $48 million deficit over the next four years and plans to spend down rainy day funds.  This high school proposal does not solve this spending problem.  For every dollar the District saves, we will be spending more than a dollar in interest on the bond for the first 19 years of the 26 year term.
  9. The district’s claim that you get a new school and your taxes will go down is not true.  For taxes to go down, building improvement “sinking funds” must not be replaced when they expire.  This is virtually impossible over the 26 year term of the bond.
  10. Money is not free.

Vote No on May 8.  Tell the District you want to maintain our tradition of educational excellence by improving our two high schools in a fiscally responsible manner. Use existing funds already provided by taxpayers ($62.5M) for facility improvements and get back to the business of educating our children.

For more information, please go to B2020.org and BHSForum.org or contact me at Bloomfield2020@gmail.com

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Kelly Gurman May 2, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Just to clarify Chris, a no vote will not keep Andover and Lahser open. A no vote will keep the buildings that currently house Andover and Lahser open. We will be one united high school with a student body of around 1600 utilizing two campuses.
Ken Jackson May 2, 2012 at 08:10 pm
Mr. Fellin is getting himself closer to the facts on point #2, however. That is somewhat encouraging. He has stopped telling voters that they will getting a "9th Grade Academy." The next step might be to get him to budge on insisting BHS present a magical study that predicts educational outcomes in the future. It's possible he could move closer still to accurately representing the May 8th ballot. I have great faith in public dialogue.
Neal Charness May 2, 2012 at 09:01 pm
There's a strong consensus among the real estate trade that property values in our area have stabilized and are, in fact, increasing at this time, particularly in the under $500,000 market. There's no guarantee that will continue but it is considered much more likely than a big drop in values. Consequently, with a fixed bond amount it's more likely the millage rate will decline than increase.
That doesn't seem to fit in with the intent of B2020 to alarm voters with the idea taxes will go up even though it's more likely the millage rate will decline or stay the same. Remember it's a bond issue, taxes paid from it can only be used to retire the bonds. As to the allegation that schools "will be smaller and closer to the sweet spot" all I can say is it's patently false, the B2020 people know it and the repetitions of that statement is not incidentally intended to mislead, it's purposefully intended.
Charles Gaba May 2, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Y'know, instead of a point-by-point deconstruction of all 10 on the list, let me just make a comment on one of them:
"Our focus should be on reading, writing, math and science." Yes, these are all important subjects. However, do you know what one single college course Steve Jobs, possibly the greatest entrepreneur and example of the success of free enterprise, cited as the key to his success? Calligraphy. That's right: Not reading, not "writing" (at least in the sense you're speaking of), not even computer science, but in the artistic design of font faces. The point, of course, is that while 'Reading, 'Riting and 'Rithmatic (ironically, in extolling the virtues of the basics in the "3 R's" saying, proper spelling was thrown by the wayside) are certainly crucial, the arts and humanities are EQUALLY important...unless you think that every high school student should become nothing but a doctor, lawyer or accountant. As for sports, I can take or leave it, and I agree that there's a massive overemphasis on team sports in our culture, but I do recognize that it certainly has its' place as well...and, for good or for bad, a football or baseball field simply takes up a hell of a lot more square footage than a math or science classroom; that's just the nature of the beast. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-jobs-death-apple-calligraphy-248900
Charles Gaba May 2, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Oh, and one more thing on that same note, Mr. Fellin: Has it ever occurred to you that the REASON why "only" 40% of the spending is devoted to "academic spaces" is because they're KEEPING THE ENTIRE NORTH WING OF THE BUILDING, which is entirely ACADEMIC.
Yeah, that's right--35% of the building is in GOOD SHAPE AND ISN'T BEING REPLACED, which is what the community WANTED the district to do. It'll be spruced up a bit, sure, but over 1/3 of the existing Andover structure is being kept basically as-is, which is what you keep saying you WANT. I suppose by your logic, if I decide to replace my broken dishwasher but the clothes dryer is in good shape, you'd accuse me of spending 100% of my money on "non-clothing-related spaces", even if I didn't NEED a new dryer.
Ken Jackson May 2, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mr. Fellin,
1)What the district proposes -- quite clearly -- is that 9th grade students would be gathered and taught in Lahser. They quite clearly discuss it as a fall back plan. 2)Mr. Littman is an anti-tax think tank economist. I really wish someone with his background and expertise would spend time sorting out banking issues to help my property values rather than speculating on educational theory (although I don't want to hold him accountable for the way you and others are trying to use him as some kind of expert witness). 3) What is commonsensical is that students and teachers will perform better in a better setting, not vice versa. I love Horatio Alger stories, too, but they focus on exceptions not generalities. People move to Bloomfield for a variety of reasons including nicer, bigger homes, bigger attractive lots -- that is they seek out good environments where they and their families can thrive. Same logic for education. In many respects you sound like a decent and serious man. Please start listening and reading more closely to the things you say. One last thing on Mrs. Gurman's point: semantics can matter. You and 2020 have been using the term "Academy" to try to pitch the district's plan B in a way that is different from the district's own statements. That, frankly, is loopy and disingenuous. You keep saying, in effect, "this will be great and special" when the district -- the people who run the school and teach are saying "this is what we will do if we have to."
Charles Gaba May 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Well, I'm glad to see that you acknowledge the point. Still not sure why you think it's "disproportional". As for the field house, I didn't have a chance to see that when I visited Andover just a week ago, but if it's anything like the also-relatively new field house at Lahser (around 15 years, I believe), then it doesn't seem like much of a loss--the one at Lahser has a *massive* HVAC unit hanging INSIDE the field house instead of on top, and I'm told every time it kicks in it practically deafens anyone in the area.
I also love how you list "education, arts and extracurriculars" as if the latter two aren't part of "education". I suppose learning about agriculture, dairy processing, plant cycles and so forth like they do at Bowers aren't any form of an "education" either?
Howard Baron May 2, 2012 at 11:31 pm
To add to Mr. Gaba's comments. Chris, true, 63% of the spending is devoted to non-academic spaces. True. What you aren't saying is 26% is for common areas like lobbies, kitchen, dining rooms, technology infrastructure, furnature, parking lots, site improvements, etc. Combine that with Mr. Gaba's comments about retained classrooms, you have a reasonable allocation between instruction, common areas, arts, and sports.
Chris, you are twisting every statistic to your own end. The way you are deceiving the people who have not studied up on this project is no different than ads on TV by Matty Moroun about the bridge project. These half-truths and distortions sicken me. I can't wait until May 9th and we can all put this whole ordeal behind us.
Ken Jackson May 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Have your read Mr. Laurinec's report on the "field trip" and how other districts thought of their 9th grade schools? That's rhetorical -- I am sure you have. Why not take seriously the position of those who will be running and teaching the schools? Have you been at this so long you think you teach? That can happen.
Charles Gaba May 2, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Well, I *do* have to commend (if you want to call it that) Mr. Fellin for at the very least FINALLY admitting that the "$75 million" sinking fund figure that he and B2020 have been throwing around all this time is bunk, and is finally using the more accurate figure of $62.5 million.
Of course, he *still* can't bring himself to admit that it's not like there's $62.5 million lying around ready to be used either. $31.3 million of it has *already* been spent, and of that, 26.3% has already been spent on Lahser and Andover to try and patch them together long enough to get through this process. So, we're really talking about perhaps $31 million or so, which still has to be spread out among over a dozen buildings. Passing the bond would take the two biggest money drains out of the loop for many years to come.
Howard Baron May 2, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Chris, Mr. Glass has committed to me that this is it. Plan A or Plan B. End of discussion. If I were he and I was asked by the board to go back on that commitment, I would resign. Neither the Board or the Mr. Glass would have any credibility if they were to do that. Chris, by bringing that possibility up, you again are bring up "what if"s to scare people. Argue the facts, not fear!!!
Neal Charness May 2, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Voting "no" guarantees the need for higher sinking fund taxes. The only way not to have to do this is to responsibly use the bond funds to take care of the high schools instead of throwing money at the schools that will have to be replaced down the road for more money.
Then we'll have a higher sinking fund millage plus a more expensive bond and the "no, no matter what" group saying it was the school district that was irresponsible. So if you truly want your taxes to go up, you should vote no. There's no guarantee there won't ever be an increase in the sinking fund needs if the bond issue passes because anything can happen with the other buildings but....it's pretty well guaranteed that pursuing B2020's and Chris' plan will cause higher sinking fund millage rates. It's up to you.
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 12:09 am
Mr. Fellin,
I am willing to wager far more than coffee on that. Name the stakes. Do you think Mr. Glass insane? Frankly, do you really believe you could get a qualified superintendent to take this job if this bond fails??? Do you realize what all this has done to Bloomfield Hills and its reputation amongst professionals? You will find yourself with a careerist -- ready to duck and cover and do nothing difficult for 4 years, perhaps while he or she gets their kids through a (still) good (but flailing) school system and moves on. That's it. Perhaps this would be a place to turn to the familial education background you cite and consider the reality. You know better than to talk as if teachers and good administrators are cartoons. I don't have to bet based on any particular knowledge of Mr. Glass's inner thoughts -- I just have to bet on that he is a functioning professional.
Charles Gaba May 3, 2012 at 12:26 am
Mr. Fellin, you and I have never met, and unlike some here I know very little of your background. What exactly do you do for a living, may I ask? Are you a professor, teacher, paraprofessional, or some other education expert? Are you a physicist, biologist, mathematician or linguist? If so, glad to hear it. If not, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the opinions of the actual educators.
Are you a carpenter, engineer, electrician, plumber, roofer, materials supplier, architect, construction contractor, urban planning or energy efficiency expert? Again, if so, do tell; if not, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the ones who are actually planning the construction project. Are you a police officer, firefighter or township office employee? If not, perhaps you should trust their judgment when it comes to traffic congestion issues--to the best of my knowledge, neither the Bloomfield Township administration, police department nor fire department seems to think that the traffic situation if the bond proposal passes would be a problem. Are you perhaps a realtor? If not, perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. Again, I don't know you or your history--nor do you know me or mine. It's certainly conceivable that you're an expert in any or all of these areas. I'm guessing not, however.
Charles Gaba May 3, 2012 at 12:30 am
Oh, and the reason I went off on that particular rant is because of your claim that "technology upgrades can be implemented as easily in a new school as in a renovation." Are you a networking expert as well, now? It's not just about snaking CAT-5 cable through every light shaft. I hear the same sort of talk from people who think that building a "Facebook-like" website should be a snap.
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 12:50 am
Mr. Fellin,
I have no reason whatsoever not to trust this board. On the contrary, they have demonstrated to me at every step along the way they are willing to work with the community in an open way (by the way, since we don't know each other personally, I am not shy or timid, paricularly with school boards or administrators). More generally, human experience tells me that citizens willing to take their time and subject themselves to absurd charges (recall) for something they think is right deserve trust. What I meant to suggest was that the picture you paint of Mr. Glass and the board is utterly at odds with my life experience and all my common sense. Your picture of them suggests crazed lunatics -- desparate for whatever reason for a renovated high school to help with consolidation. That strikes me, frankly, as nuts on your part or you have been reading too much stuff from those in the state that see ALL public education as the source of problems. I hate to use that language (you aren't nuts) but at points in your argument you lean towards such extreme characterizations and distortions I can't find another way to put it.
Charles Gaba May 3, 2012 at 01:39 am
Which board members have earned your mistrust? If I understand correctly, only 3 of the 7 current board members had anything to do with any previous plans. Are you saying that those 3 have powers of persuasion enough to bend Mr. Glass and the other 4 new members to their will? Perhaps this is the case, but I suspect not.
Neal Charness May 3, 2012 at 02:47 am
Your reasoning for mistrusting the board is pretty vague. You allege specific actions yet you don't state what they are. Do you really think it's reasonable to paint that as not trustworthy with no evidence. Fairness?
A great evening and Thursday to you as well.
Paul Scheidemantel May 3, 2012 at 02:53 am
Ken -- You hit the nail on the head regarding the trust issue. This current board has learned from the past. They have volunteered countless hours of their time, at considerable personal sacrifice, to help us get to a reasonable plan. For more than a year they reached out, they included, they listened, they considered, they consulted, and they ultimately delivered a plan that we can be proud of. They stood strong in the face of a nasty and failed recall attempt in the midst of it all. They have shown us that they took the past results seriously. They are accountable to us and to our community for their decisions. I trust them.
On the other hand, who is Chris Fellin? Is he accountable to our schools ... to our community? What are his true motives? Personally, his relentless attempts to mislead by making it sound that voting "no" will restore the 2 high school format disincline me to even listen to anything he has to say, let alone trust any of it. Who am I some might ask? I'm someone who trusts our current leaders because they've earned it ... who's voting "Yes" because I believe that the plan they recommend is in the best long-term interest of our schools and our community ... and who's voting "Yes" even though our youngest child would live through the construction, yet graduate before the new school is completed. My family realizes that the stakes are too high to be selfish. After all, that's what community is all about.
Jose Pareja May 3, 2012 at 04:09 pm
I agrre with your statement, voting NO will not resolve the problem of future lower property taxes, contrary will result in higer millage. Vote "YES"
More thoughts May 3, 2012 at 06:16 pm
Chris is a wonderful voice in the darkness! He absolutely knows what he is talking about. I don't understand why his critics love to go personal and try to make him look like he just doesn't get it when he is one of the few who do. Many citizens are down on the board because of the prior millage votes. I personally don't know why the schools are in such poor repair as Lahser is newer than any of the Birmingham High Schools. It is a matter of the administration and boards not maintaining what they have? I would have to conclude that is it. I also haven't seen a plan for what is to be done with Lahser. How could we possibly save money if Lahser will still be standing? Chris is also correct about improving the implementation of newer technologies as being not such an outrageous cost. Additionally, technology is changing so quickly that a 3 year committment to current technology is about what is reasonable. Don't forget that currently wireless is where the action is and the Cloud is where it is going,
Chris, I love your list and always read your coments. They are concise, correct and based on fact, unlike your detractors! You better believe your taxes are going to grow. Have you looked at your SEV which has been going down and yet your tax bill is going up? Keep up the good work.
Peter A. Lipson, M.D. May 3, 2012 at 07:10 pm
Thanks, Chris. Your opinion of Chris is probably objective and helpful.
Charles Gaba May 3, 2012 at 07:16 pm
ROFL
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 07:23 pm
Mr. Fellin,
I think Mr. Lipson found your anonymous admirer a little suspect; "ROFL" means rolling on the floor laughing. I am not on the floor -- but Mr. Lipson's response was funny.
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 07:31 pm
I don't think it was Rob Glass
Peter A. Lipson, M.D. May 3, 2012 at 09:32 pm
I was being a bit sarcastic. I am, though, in the minority who believes that anonymous commenting is actually a good thing, and that commenting without a real name does not detract from an argument.
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Mr. Lipson,
Fair enough. Commenting with a name is certainly no guarantee that the argument will be sound or fair.
Peter A. Lipson, M.D. May 3, 2012 at 10:31 pm
That being said, the comment was a useless paeon to a non-authority, and full of non sequiturs and other rhetorical fallacies. But it's being judged on content rather than identity.
Ken Jackson May 3, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Mr. Lipson, Thanks. I haven't laughed twice in one day about the May 8th election since I started reading Patch.
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