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BHSD to operate private clinic?

The BHSD's "wellness center" (i.e., clinic for employees) is well on its way to becoming a reality, and our school board has found yet another way to distract themselves from their mission.

A Board of Education is supposed focus on the education of students in their district.  Ours seems to focus on everything else.

Tell me, should our school district enter into the health care business?  What do you think?

Don't we already have doctors and clinics in our area?  Aren't some of them paying taxes to the school district and township?

Seems to me that medical care is readily available in our area.  Is a taxpayer-funded "private" clinic a good idea?  I don't think so, and if I was on the board of education, I would have acted to shut this issue DOWN.

Some argue that the clinic will "save money."  No proof was offerred at the study session.  BHSD employees already have health insurance and those with chronic health issues should be smart enough to maintain a relationship with a trusted health care provider.

The clinic will likely be housed in the former Parks and Rec building on Dublin Street, near the  intersection of Telegraph and Long Lake Rds.  Outfitting the clinic will cost an estimated $80,000.  It will be staffed by a physician, a nurse, and a medical assistant.  The clinic will be open for 24 hours a week.  All services will be "free" to BHSD employees.

"Free?"  What kind of health care is "free?" 

The kind that taxpayers pay for.

I'd prefer that my education tax dollars be spent to benefit our 5400 students.

I'd prefer that our school board challenge our administration to address the significant achievement gap that exists in our schools, and the fact that our district's state and national rankings, along with our enrollment, have declined.

Frankly, if I was on the BHSD Board of Education, I would insist that every agenda item relate in some way to academic achievement or at least to benefit our students.  (I'm on the Nov. 6 ballot for the 2-year partial term to see if I can help the school board focus on the Education of Students.)

This "wellness center" does NOT benefit our students in any way, and the plan should be dropped.

Linda August 20, 2012 at 01:10 pm
There is a significant difference between a "wellness facility" and a "medical clinic". A wellness facility is generally a resource for medical information in general and promotes good health and yes, many private companies do this to encourage good health habits. A medical clinic is something completely different...it offers patient intervention, administration of medicine and requires certified doctors and nurses
Certainly a medical clinic is a more significant and very costly proposal. It is my understanding that the BHSD is proposing a " medical clinic". Which in my opinion is a questionable, very questionable project for many reasons. This country is in the middle of potentially massive changes in health care administration and cost shifting and why anyone would venture in those waters with a medical clinic given this situation is lunacy.
Ken Jackson August 20, 2012 at 01:17 pm
Ms. Greenwell,
Who are you accusing of bullying? I just quickly reviewed all the posts and it is difficult for me to see what you are talking about. Can you be specific? When adults use language in a public forum they are responsible for that language. For example, if you are referring to "J Arch's" comments (you seem to "reply" to that post) about Mr. Barr those characterizations are, unfortunately, demonstrably true. Mr. Barr in the past has accused people without evidence -- not only of being stupid and uninformed,etc. -- but of actual crimes. I might not use the word "ridiculous" when describing some of his inaccuracies yet I don't think that constitutes bullying. When you write in an electronic forum there is a considerable challenge. Anyone at any point can trace your words, your positions, your characterizations and so on with relative ease.
Neal Charness August 20, 2012 at 01:38 pm
The NONO/B2020 group bullied the district and community for years. That's not to say some of their arguments didn't have merit. But the community soundly repudiated the bullying this spring. Dr. Barr felt he should be able to post anything he wanted to and not be called out for it. It doesn't work that way, for me, for you, or anyone else although a very occasional poster might justifiably be cut some slack. Folks like you and I are reasonably entitled to questioning. In fact as a blogger, not a poster, you make yourself a public figure which is your choice. That's partly explains why you're willing to run for office and I'm not.
I agree with your comment about apathy and caring, it is important.
Isaac Barr MD August 20, 2012 at 02:59 pm
I did not plan to write more E mails because of personal attacks on me. We want to discuss issues not personalities. I want to thank Jenny Greenwall for having the blog to bring this issues to public's attention. Why don't any of our Trustees have a blog on the Patch? Why do we have to count on Jenny Greenwell to communicate with taxpayers? There are questions which require answers. So far we did not see any discussion except for important comment by Jenny Greenwall and my comments on issues. When you have no answers, yes, you bully....Regarding the number of schooling days in IA I agree that presently it is 18 (172 in BHS and 190 in IA) days, but still the concept of lengthening school year was not discussed. Mind you: in Japan the school days are 243 which means that the Japanese kids are at school for 13 years, not 12 as in BHS.
Neal Charness August 20, 2012 at 03:51 pm
Please don't confuse commentary on your positions as personal attacks. That's how you keep getting in these spots. You've created all of this, at some point you have to take responsibility for your words and actions. Then you can earn respect and people can consider your comments. It's not right for you, Dr Barr, to act as if you're a victim.
J Arch August 20, 2012 at 04:28 pm
I find it telling when someone is called out for misrepresenting a piece of information and their response is to claim they are being bullied. The tactic of reporting false information was played out repeatedly by Dr. Barr and others during the high school bond campaign. In Dr. Barr's case it got to be so extreme that he brought the threat of a lawsuit upon himself. If you blog something that is intentionally misleading or outright incorrect, you yourself are responsible for being called out on it. You can prevent that from happening by refraining from that very behavior. Trying to sidestep that responsibility by claiming that you are being bullied only further erodes your credibility.
J. Wagner
Jenny Greenwell August 20, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Please make a point to read the article on the front page of today's Detroit News, entitled "Employers embrace wellness programs."
That's "programs," not private medical clinics in taxpayer-paid facilities. The article talks about company-sponsored athletic teams, having a Weight-Watcher meeting "at work." I am sure that many employers provide help with general fitness, diet, smoking cessation and perhaps even addiction recovery. Such "wellness coaching" is not what's on the BHSD agenda. The BHSD is considering a $500,000+ medical clinic, open 24 hours a week, to provide basic health services for employees. The question, as I see it, is: Do we want to spend tax dollars intended for the education of our K-12 and special needs students on this clinic? Will employees want to use it? If you would prefer to send your response to my personal email, it's jdg5678@aol.com. Thanks! I'm interested in your opinion.
Neal Charness August 20, 2012 at 11:52 pm
It seems clear that unless the district shows the wellness program or clinic will result in an expense savings on a long term basis (I'd like not to fall into the trap of looking at start up costs as recurring costs because they're not) we shouldn't do it. Beyond that I'm starting to think this discussion is fairly premature and we should talk about what positive steps we can take to enhance the education of our kids. This has become a side show with hurt feelings and we can't really resolve it because the information is incomplete. I am neither willing to say yes to this without all the facts and I think it's foolish to say no until we know. Again, if it's not positive let's leave it at home.
Jenny Greenwell August 21, 2012 at 01:22 am
Excellent points, Mr. Charness. I sat through the first 90 minutes and it seemed to me that this may not be in the best interests of BHSD employees. A lot of attention was given to the compilation of "de-identified" medical information that is not typically available under HIPPA privacy protection.
I am not sure that this is a good idea. If I had AIDS, (or other controversial issue) I am not sure I would tell a clinic operated by my employer. Teachers deserve privacy, and if their performance in the classroom is GOOD, shouldn't we let them deal with their health issues as they choose? (As a side note, I prefer to refer to BHSD enrollees as "students." They are here to be educated, to get smart, to reach their intellectual potential. I have "kids," and when they were young, I took them camping and threw them birthday parties. Parents have "kids," but school districts have "students.") I would love to see BHSD students be as smart, and as able, and as limitless as their talents and abilities allow. Am I dreaming? Can we do it? This would make me so proud and happy. All of our students deserve our respect and our dedication to their fulfillment and success, in whatever they choose to do. I like your comments, and agree with you. Thank you. You are correct: We are missing key information. I would like to know if our teachers WANT THIS.
Parentaxpayer August 21, 2012 at 01:50 am
Here's how I see it will work. The district will require the staff to use the new clinic for immunizations,annual tests,etc, to justify it's existence and so the place is not a ghost town. Since the teachers will be forced to go there they are going to demand the time off of their school day for their appointments, in their next contract negotiations. So you figure out of the teachers salary they will get 3 additional half days off a year, plus the cost of the sub to cover when they are gone, so there goes any potential heath care costs savings plus teachers out of the classroom. All that to justify someone in the Administration or School Boards wild idea so we can be the exemplary Bloomfield Hills district.
Neal Charness August 21, 2012 at 02:28 am
Parentaxpayer: I really agree with Ms. Greenwell on this one. If you believe in what you're saying have the courage to put your name behind it.
Regardless, it seems there's a lot of speculation in your comment and not much fact because no one has the facts yet. We're really jumping ahead here. You do seem to have an anitpathy towards the teachers who are the lifeblood of our kids' education. I don't think anyone wants the teachers or any district employees to take advantage but your comments assume bad results. Let's wait until we really have information.
Jenny Greenwell August 21, 2012 at 02:39 am
I would also like to have more facts. There was no representative for the teachers at the Study session, which lasted about 4 hours. I stayed for 90 minutes, as I had a meeting to attend that evening. I wanted to ask a couple of questions, but was not offerred an opportunity. I would like to know if BHSD teachers and staff WANT this clinic. I would also like to know if it can be connected in any way to a benefit for our students. If it "saves money," that's swell, but if staff does not want it, I think we can find other ways to conserve precious funds.
Frankly, I'm not comfortable with the concept, and would like to KNOW more. Thank you ALL for your attention to this matter. j
Jenny Greenwell August 21, 2012 at 02:51 am
Some parents with school-age children are wary about identifying themselves for fear of any possible social consequences. That's ok. They should not do anything that may work against their own best interests, or beyond their comfort level. I do agree that it is better to converse with people known by name, but it's not always possible.
Neal Charness August 21, 2012 at 03:03 am
Ms. Greenwell I would ask why the difference in your reaction to Parentaxpayer today and Mdt48302 on August 18 in this same thread. Why the inconsistency?
Marcia Robovitsky August 21, 2012 at 03:07 am
I posted a NEW BLOG on Patch because it was LONG and could not fit in this post.
I received a copy of the packet distributed at the study session for the wellness center proposal. I give facts and my thoughts and opinions. Please read and respond with your thoughts. Thanks. http://bloomfield-mi.patch.com/blog_posts/wellness-center-proposal-aug-23-7-pm-doyle-center
Elizabeth 123 August 21, 2012 at 01:46 pm
I just have to ask this then, why did you not afford mdt48302 the same courtesy? It would seem to me that any person, regardless of their situation, might be fearful of possible social consequences and therefore feel a pseudonym is necessary.
Jenny Greenwell August 21, 2012 at 01:52 pm
oops. I'm having a hard time keeping up with all these comments, sorry.
Here's the point: I hope people will look into this and send a comment to the board. The Trustees have the authority to accept or reject this idea on behalf of the taxpayers. I am SURE they will be interested in your opinion, as it is their responsibility to act in accordance with the values of those they represent. The board has not asked for your opinion, and that is unfortunate, but you should learn about the issue and share your thoughts. Apathy about public education is dangerous. We have to CARE. It takes a community of interested people to operate a superior school district.
Jenny Greenwell August 21, 2012 at 01:59 pm
Note to ES: There is no "reply" button in your comment box.
When I saw the word "parent" in that particular screen name, it occured to me that confidentiality might be an issue. If "mt" had said that anonymity was REQUIRED, I would understand that. In certain cases, it is essential to protect one's identity. It's ok to just say so. Papers used to print letters signed "name withheld" to protect the writer. People have all kinds of issues and problems. I'm all for protecting the vulnerable among us.
Neal Charness August 21, 2012 at 02:20 pm
Jenny: I don't recall that anonymity was required for Parentaxpayer either. If you were to have replied to Elizabeth that you made a mistake that would make sense but you ducked that. I fully think you have much to contribute as a taxpayer but these sort of things are why I don't believe you have the temperment to serve on the Board with others (I'm not sure I do either, to be fair) and why I feel it important to not have you win a seat.
Elizabeth 123 August 21, 2012 at 02:49 pm
That is partially what I suspected Jenny, that something in the name triggered a different response from you. However, there is no guarantee that a person's pseudonym is a true descriptive of who they are or their circumstances. Therefore, we should accept the comments from all regardless of the name or the point of view. I see no reason why mdt48302 should to have to explain that anonymity was REQUIRED and for Parentaxpayer to get a pass. No one should have to explain why they are using their own name or a pseudonym and no one should get a pass regardless of their point of view.
FYI, if there is no reply button, then it was a reply to another comment and you have to go to that original comment's reply button to add your response. The system will put the comments in order when you hit refresh.
Marcia Robovitsky August 21, 2012 at 02:57 pm
I learn something every day. I always wondered why I couldn't reply to some comments. Thanks Elizabeth for the computer/Patch tutorial.
Parentaxpayer August 21, 2012 at 05:12 pm
Sorry I caused so much trouble, but it is true I am a parent in the district I would rather not take the cold shoulder or rude comments from parents who do not agree with me. I may also be a BHSD staff member who would rather not be forced to use this facility and do not want the retribution from those that are trying to create this mess.
I think the hair splitting going on here against Jenny is despicable. Granted she may not often deliver the message well, but the information she puts forward is valuable. How many of us would even have known about this clinic issue if she did not bring it forward? I do not think Jenny knows how to play well with others so maybe the sand box we know of as the BH school board is not the right place for her, but I do believe she truly cares about the students in our area and hope she stays involved. Now on the other hand, Marcia Robovitsky did a really nice job dissecting the packet of information on the clinic proposal. Despite staying on top of school issues for the past decade I have never heard her before. Maybe Marcia should be running for a spot on the school board. Marcia?
Neal Charness August 21, 2012 at 06:01 pm
Not an issue with you just how two similar posts were treated. I do believe one of Jenny's agendas is the well being of our students. Her other agendas cause the other issues that you described well. I believe she has input but should not be on the board.
Marcia Robovitsky August 21, 2012 at 06:07 pm
I chimed in quite a bit on Patch in the past on Bloomfield Hills schools blogs....but didn't have a vote. Now I do. I don't like sand boxes where the kids throw sand in your face. My attitude is to try and stop the behavior/actions. If it means jumping into the box, so be it. Perhaps that's what Jenny is doing and I will certainly support her with my vote to be a new 2 year school board member in November. There is a lot happening with the new high school. She would be a great watchdog for all the taxpayers as the process continues. She will ensure the STUDENTS come first and the focus is education. She'll be one vote, but a voice for all the taxpayers. She will question issues and get people talking. I like that.
My sand box is at the township. Many would suggest I don't fit in there, either. I write a blog about the township: http://bloomfieldtwphappenings.blogspot.com You can find my archived blogs are on the right side column. I want the township to be better and I really do care about my community. School board is NOT what I would want to do. The frustrating part of being a watchdog is that no one likes hearing the barking. Sometimes you even need to growl to get the message out. What everyone needs to realize is that you don't shut the door or window, but open it up and see what the barking is about. Do something to correct/change/influence the situation even if it just commenting on PATCH and sharing ideas and thoughts in a constructive way.
Parentaxpayer August 22, 2012 at 12:06 am
This comment is taken off the bloomfieldhillsforum.com site.....
The plan I knew of and the plan I VOTED on designated the old rec dept building land to be used for sports facilities for the new high school. The plan posted on the district website shows a baseball/softball field and a rectangular field which looks like a soccer field on the land that is/was the rec. dept. building. Right next to that is the tennis courts, which will need parking which would also be on the rec.dept. building land. You can see this on the the BHSD website at http://www.bloomfield.org/files/hs_transitionplan/bhs-120214.pdf . I reluctantly voted yes on this plan knowing it was insufficient in that sports facilities would be crammed or even missing on this new site. Now the board wants to make it worse. I would then consider the bond election fradulent
Jenny Greenwell August 22, 2012 at 12:35 am
You know, it makes more sense to use this land for parking than for a medical clinic that might not make a lot of economic (or other) impact. Parking is expected to be a problem, anyway, at this site. Traffic issues are still being discussed. I'll have to see if I can locate a site plan or some documents. The "schematic" developed by Fielding Nair is essentially a cartoon; not an architectural drawing. (Yes, we paid a lot of money, almost $1-million) for a cartoon!) A synonym for "schematic" is "cartoon." Ask Mr. Webster if you want the entire definition.
I wish our students the very best for this school year, and I hope that they are able to transition to a new school year without difficulty.
Marcia Robovitsky August 22, 2012 at 02:14 am
From the study session board packet....p. 6 question #5.
"How is the ORIGINAL new high school site plans affected, by selecting as the wellness center site, the building located behind old central administration?" Answer: BHS stated: "Based on our internal discussions and review, we would lose some green space and/or potential outdoor practice area." p. 7 Question #1-- "Is there an urgency for acting on this matter at this time?" Answer: BHS states: ".......... With many groups including BHEA, transitioning to a high deductible plan ($1250/$2500) as of November 1, 2012, URGENCY EXISTS." (capital letters were put in by me for emphasis)
Linda P August 22, 2012 at 02:56 am
Jenny I applaud your interest in running for the board. Anyone has a right to run and if they don't think you should be elected they should run themselves but they don't they just want to bash and insult.
Jenny Greenwell August 22, 2012 at 09:18 pm
The board will hold a study session about the high school design development and this might be a good chance for you to register any concerns about the site. The meeting starts at 5 pm in the back hall of the Doyle Center, if you are able to attend. It is open to the public, but few people typically are present. It's worthwhile if you can manage the time.
Jenny Greenwell August 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm
My copies are in circulation. Why not suggest that the board post the materials on the BHSD website? There is virtually no cost involved and the information would be available to anyone who wants it.
I am happy to note that the board will not vote on this issue tonight, and will focus their attention on high school plan development, instead. This is a BIG project and will take lots of time and attention to minimize disruption, maximize productivity and contain costs.

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