Big Week For Marijuana Legalization in Michigan

Citizen petition drive to get legalization on November ballot expected to start while Michigan Supreme Court hears medicinal cases. What do you think about legalization of marijuana?


The push to make Michigan one of the first states in the nation to decriminalize use, possession, and delivery of marijuana could begin in earnest this week with a petition drive to amend the state constitution.

The drive by the Committee for Safer Michigan will need to collect 322,609 signatures by July 9 to put the question of whether Michigan residents 21 and older can legally smoke marijuana on the November ballot, the Detroit News reported. The petition kickoff coincides with a question before the Michigan Supreme Court, which is scheduled this week to consider two cases with local ties related to the state's medical marijuana law.

On Dec. 1, 2010, the ACLU — on behalf of Birmingham residents Robert and Linda Lott — saying both cities were in direct violation of the 2008 Michigan Medical Marihuana Act (MMMA), which allows and provides protection for the medical use of marijuana for patients and their caregivers when used to treat debilitating medical conditions.

because neither of the plaintiffs were arrested for any alleged violations.

In July, a Wayne County judge dismissed another lawsuit filed by the Lotts and the ACLU, this time against the city of Livonia, for not allowing them to grow marijuana in a warehouse they own there. The ACLU appealed the ruling in August.

Petition proponents told the News legalizing marijuana is Michigan's next frontier, since the state's 2008 medical marijuana law is vague and has led to chaos among patients, medical authorities, and law enforcement. Opponents, however, argue decriminalizing marijuana is a mistake and won't help Michigan's most pressing problem – the economy.

Jordan Genso January 11, 2012 at 03:14 PM
You are absolutely correct that there is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to being in favor of or against legalization, as the issue is inherently subjective. All that matters is that each of us are consistent in our reasoning. And since the status quo is clearly not consistent, since it treats alcohol and marijuana so differently (and no one is arguing that marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol), we should all be able to at least agree that the status quo needs to change.
Jordan Genso January 11, 2012 at 03:25 PM
Absolutely, the impact that our drug laws have on our society needs to be discussed more often. I completely agree with those who have said this is why minority voters should focus on Ron Paul's policies and recognizing that if he was able to implement his agenda when it comes to drug policy*, it would solve some of the worst injustices currently occurring in minority communities. The proportion of the population that uses drugs is fairly similar across racial lines, yet minorities are much more likely to receive legal punishment for it. That is something that needs to be addressed, but can't as long as we continue the "War on Drugs". *unfortunately, I don't believe there is stong political viability for some of Ron Paul's best policy ideas, and his some of his policies that I disagree with would probably be politically viable.
Jim McLuckie January 12, 2012 at 02:33 AM
Hi Nicole, I have a real world example for you, completely devoid of theory and probability. I'll follow it up with some theory for you. My parents smoked cigarettes when I was a kid. For a period of time, they would do it around us, but gradually they began to hide it. I knew they smoked, but they wouldn't do it around us. I was exposed to their smoking, so by your measure, I was "sent the message that it was okay." But actually, I wasn't. They told me it wasn't good for my health. And they told me I shouldn't do it. Through school, I was taught about the negative effects of smoking. None of this stopped me from trying cigarettes as a teenager, even though I wasn't 18 yet. And you know what? I never started smoking, and I don't smoke today. Why? Because not only does it have a negative impact on my health, it's because I simply don't like it. I don't like the taste, I don't like the smell, I don't like the cost. Cigarettes are not for me.
Jim McLuckie January 12, 2012 at 02:33 AM
The moral of the story? Children and adults share this world with a great many things, and on the road to becoming an adult, children will encounter any number of things that they will need to decide both on their own and with the help of responsible, educated adults, whether or not to expose their minds and bodies to certain things. They can and they will. The most we can do is educate the adults of this world with facts, with science, with studies, about all of these things we will encounter, so we can pass that information on to the next generation, so that when they grow up, they can decide what kind of life they want to live. It's not the job of the government to do that. A study was just released today about the medical benefits of marijuana on the lungs, of all things. You can find more information at the link following it, so you can get a better idea of the other medical benefits that cannabis has on the body: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57356548/study-no-lung-danger-from-casual-pot-smoking/ http://naturalsociety.com/why-is-marijuana-illegal-examining-the-health-aspects-of-cannabis/
Jim McLuckie January 12, 2012 at 03:01 AM
Herb, would you be willing to explain what you've concluded from the information posed in the link that you've posted multiple times? I've read it several times over and I have an idea, but before I assume anything about your findings, I want to know what you got out of it.
dk January 12, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Your "anecdotal" story can be countered by a million anecdotal stories to the contrary. There are no scientific studies to support your experience; and in fact, they contradict it, e.g. study just published on how pot improves lung function. I can give you a million anecdotal stories and scientific studies about the dangers of alcohol, Since I don't approve of alcohol and know someone who was hurt by it, do I get to make alcohol illegal? Last but not least, pot is no more a gateway drug than milk. While I respect your right to your opinions and choices, we are talking about laws that force this opinion on others and destroy children and families in the process. If you don't want to smoke pot - don't. Legalizing pot will simply give give everyone else the same right to decide for themselves and save this state millions. Personally, I can't tolerate a drunk. People high on alcohol are loud, smell, generally obnoxious, and often belligerent. People high on pot just want to eat a bag of Doritos and be left alone to opine on the origins of the world.
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Hello Jim, the reason that I posted that link was to show the effects of things that damage the brain. It also could provide help to those that have diminshed capacity. The brain and the body have no seperation, if it's not good for the body it is not good for the brain. You also have to have a healthy brain to have a healthy body. Also in regards to your other post do you know what role models are? We live our lives as examples.
Conservative Christian January 12, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Herb, I think the main point of the article is about legalization, not health effects. Even if ALL of the problems claimed for marijuana are true, the effect of jail time, gangs, and higher police costs FAR outweigh the alleged harms of marijuana. We don't put people in jail for smoking cigarettes, eating fast food, drinking alcohol, gaining weight, failing to exercise, or any of the other things that are "bad" for them. It's time to stop putting our own kids in jail for using marijuana.
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Exactly my point C.C. It starts with education and role models. Because we made a mistake with alcohol why should we do it with pot. And then where does it end? Cocaine, heroin, pharmaceuticals? Why is it that corporations don't want people who can't pass a drug screen? Because one they are a liability, two they lack motivation, three because of health issues. What is the one thing or reason that people drink or use drugs? I will tell you: because they want to alter their mood. I have my believe and feel strong about it.I have seen what alcohol and drugs can do over the last fifty years. It starts with education!
Jordan Genso January 12, 2012 at 03:50 PM
Herb, I think you missed Conservative Christian's point, because s/he answered your question about why we should make the same "mistake" with pot as we did with alcohol (answer found in C.C's comment: because of the effect that criminalization has on increased incarceration; it being used as a financial source for gangs; higher police costs). Those are the "costs" involved in the cost/benefit analysis of marijuana prohibition, whereas the "benefit" is the claimed health benefits from theoretically lower use rates. What Conservative Christian is saying is that even if your claimed benefits are true, they still don't outweigh the costs. Then if you take into account the fact that your claimed benefits are highly disputed, it even further tips the balance in favor of legalization.
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 03:56 PM
Jordan, I didn't miss his point or the point of the question about making the pot legal. My reasoning for not wanting it legal is everything that I have stated. There are ways of de-criminalizing it with out making it legal. Like I said previous most people think it's about the money.
Bud January 12, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Who is Herb and why does anybody care wht he thinks? I don't. One study is not sufficient to prove Herbs case. Why doesn't Herb find some current research from another source? Probably aren't too many. I was forced through court to get drug treatment. When I went the true professionals told me that marijuana wasn't addictive and that I needed no treatment. Judge didn't like that too well. You see this whole legalization issue is about money that the government will lose from the dismantling of the prison industrial structure in this country. Marijuana bust are easy for leo and job security. It has absolutely nothing to do with rehabilitation as recidivism rates will attest to. I vow never to read another word of Herbs incorrect propaganda. He must be related to the AG.
Bud January 12, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Hilarious. Herb is a doctor too. You know that someone with mental issues can't have a healthy body? Ridiculous. Many of you have no idea why this drug is illegal. Does anyone here know what civil forfeiture is? Look and see how much money and property was seized in New York alone. There is your answer. This all has to do with money and power. The government has no vested interest in an individuals health. If so many more things would be illegal. Herb, do you know Anslinger? Do some research befor you start preaching. If your kids are drinking at all, they are doing much more harm to themselves than if they were using cannabis. Your evidence comes from a pro prohibitionist source. Try to find one that is not biased. I am done with you. I am too intelligent to waste my time reading your propaganda. If you thin that people will support your ideas thn run for office in order to keep prying into the lives of adults who can make their own conclusions.
Joyce Boulan January 12, 2012 at 07:16 PM
Herb, of course you have a right to your opinion. No one disputes that, but when you keep using that link from the Amen Clinic; it is hard to take you seriously. Really, the Amen Clinic? Of course, all they want is to scare you into signing up for their Amen Solution! lol
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 07:52 PM
Joyce have you ever watched public television? He's been featured on there. It's a clinic they are there to help people. It's years of research and developement. There are many other sources as well. I'm not telling people not to smoke pot but I do not want it legal.
Joyce Boulan January 12, 2012 at 08:44 PM
Herb, if you have done as much research as you claim, I am sure you have read studies how it has helped cancer patients and people in constant pain. I only hope you are never one of those people. But, I can see your mind is closed and nothing anyone can say will change it. Too bad.
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Joyce my mind is very open, I never said I was against medicinal Marijuana. Also If you remember (propably too much pot) the article is about legalizing it. I'm not even trying to change others minds, I'm just stating fact.
Herb Kaiser January 12, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Hello Bud, please do not make comments about me that you have absolutly no knowledge of. You are way off base and are clueless.
mike smith January 15, 2012 at 03:18 AM
wow! what a bunch o fpot heads
Lianne Mathie January 16, 2012 at 11:56 PM
Someone is trolling, don't feed the trolls.They bite.
dk March 20, 2012 at 08:37 PM
Pot and birth control. What will these moralizing, overbearing conservatives make illegal next? I know. Public schools, teachers and pensions! How else will these proselytizing crooks deliver on their jail privatization deal that says the state has to guarantee them a 90% occupancy rate for 20 years. I can't wait to kick Snyder, McMillin and Schuette to the curb.
Jane Smith March 28, 2012 at 07:19 PM
That's the question I've been asking for the last 30 years or so. Employers, would you rather hire an alcoholic or a pot smoker? Seems to me the answer is obvious but how do you test for alcoholism?
Mark Itall March 28, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Newsflash for some of you. There are a lot of aging conservatives who also want to legalize pot for various reasons. For one thing, a huge amount of them used to or still do smoke. That is why legalizing polls run so high, they are added onto the base.
Paul July 17, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Opiates are killing children, students, and adults. They damage the liver over time and when mixed with alcohol, they are lethal. Opiates are found in newborns blood and these tiny babies are going through withdrawal symptoms from their mother's consumption. Marijuana is a drug, but you can not overdose on it. I have seen it cure cancer, remove tumors, and help people on opiates live a normal. life. Those who have heard propaganda for the last century have been mislead. There are so many benefits to this wonder drug! Please, give it a chance or atleast let those who want a choice for pain relief, to have this choice.
Paul July 17, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Reading all of Herb's comments, I can understand how lack of knowledge breeds fear. I challenge Herb to further his studies on the medical benefits of marijuana rather then citing ONE article for the rest of his life.
Herb Kaiser July 17, 2012 at 08:18 PM
Paul you have no clue, I'm not wasting my time anymore on this subject.
Paul July 17, 2012 at 08:39 PM
I have witnessed patients speak before the State House of Representative in tears because they are so thankful for this medicine! I have spoken to veterans with PTSD that find benefits from marijuana after serving our country in war. I have met people with Fibromyalgia, Crohn's disease, degenerative spine diseases, cancers, surgeries, and on and on, that have benefitted from marijuana. These people were on morphine, vicodin, etc etc. Those pills and their side-effects are so much more harmful than marijuana. I don't expect you to change your mind, Herb; you had not responded to this post since January, obviously you have done nothing to educate yourself since. Thank you for serving our country and for helping maintain my freedoms, like my right to choose.
Herb Kaiser July 17, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Paul, I have a friend dying from lung cancer now because he smoked pot. I have a friend who cured herself of fibromyalgia with yoga. There are better choices than pot. This whole article is about legalization not about medical marijuana. I do not want people on the streets that have just smoked a joint. Like I stated before, there are enough brain dead people out there.
Paul July 17, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Agreed, it is about legalization. I am not sure it should be legal for all. Medically, people should have access if they wish. We agree on that I hope. It is less harmful than alcohol, opiates, and other drugs: TRUE. You don't have to smoke it. In fact, most people trying to cure their problems ingest Simpson Oil it by pill. Look up Simpson Oil for anyone interest in learning about a cure all. Thanks again, Herb!
James Ver Wys February 26, 2013 at 09:59 PM
"Opponents, however, argue decriminalizing marijuana is a mistake and won't help Michigan's most pressing problem – the economy." So the opposing side chooses money over what is right or wrong?! That's crazy!


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